Meeting Emma and Joseph in the Stars — Live Stream w/ Ancient Cosmic Clock

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[00:00] Michelle: OK, welcome to our live. This is something we’re doing a little bit more often. I am here with Brian Lang from ancient cosmic clock. You guys will recognize him from um last Sunday’s episode. And when we finished recording that episode, he had mentioned and in, in our discussion that there’s a lot more he could say about Joseph Smith. So I was like, well then come and see it, right? And so um so I, I do want to mention because um we talked for quite a while about astrology in general, really cool concepts. But before we got into talking about Joseph Smith’s Natal chart and Brigham Young’s Natal chart. So for anyone who didn’t stick around long enough, I think it’s at the hour, 25 minutes where we so like an hour and 25 minutes into the video is where they start. They bring up Joseph’s and Brigham’s Natal charts and it’s incredible, highly, highly recommended. And so Brian agreed to come back to share more information that, that, that to share more things about specifically Joseph. But as we were talking about it, I was like, Brian, my girl, Emma, we need my girl, Emma. Right? And so, oh, I thought I silenced my phone. It’s just making sound and it’s live. So here. OK, we silence that now. But anyway, um Brian agreed to do Emma’s Natal chart which, and then we were both so excited that people, someone in the comments was like, do Emma’s chart, please. We were like, we’re way ahead of you. So, so um Brian and I have been collaborating because he knows the astrology. I, I’m, I know the history, you know her, right? So we together collaborated where um I gave Brian as much. He just kept asking me questions and questions and I would, I would just, I think I just like vomited Facebook comments about Emma, you know, like, like here’s information and here’s more information. If you ask me something, we just ask one question. And I was like, here’s the next chapter of the book. I

[01:56] Brian Lang: was, I thought I was surprised by how much you knew. I’m like, she’s like John Ha.

[02:03] Michelle: Well, and I’m, I’m always nervous. I don’t want to put, I don’t wanna, I’d much rather what is it? He who exalts himself. She’ll be a base. I know if I ever say I’m so good at this, then I’ll be massively embarrassed at some point. So I’d much rather say I have studied Emma quite a bit and I like her, but I’m sure there are things I have yet to learn. But yes, it was fun to be able to just like share all of my information about Emma to someone who needed and wanted the information. So, so what have you put together? You’ve put together what you’ve brought more information about Joseph and Brigham.

[02:36] Brian Lang: We have, we can we have the same information on Brigham and Joseph. But it’s, it’s in a way that we can just spend more time to go into more details of it that we left off. We gave you guys a Reader’s Digest last time,

[02:49] Michelle: but watch it. It’s so good. I loved it.

[02:51] Brian Lang: And we, we can certainly go into some more

[02:53] Michelle: details. Ok. And then, but then, so the main thing you’ve brought is information about Joseph and Emma Emma’s N

[03:00] Brian Lang: Yes. So what we have new is we have Emma’s Nal chart and it shows like the personality, the things, the struggles, the blessings in our life. Ok? And then we have something Uber Secret, but it’s um a calendar or will of what Joseph was going through and during his last year of his life. Oh,

[03:21] Michelle: so you’ve brought that to share today? Ok, so, ok. Well, here, let me add it. Sorry I had to, it was my daughter calling me and she keeps calling me. So that’s what, that’s what you get when you have live, when you’re doing live with a bunch of kids. So I love you, Julia. Hopefully everything’s ok. I texted you, please call dad. Ok. So anyway, OK. Go ahead. Here is their next chart with Emma and Joseph. And I, one thing I noticed because I haven’t looked at these, you know, you sent me the slides to add. Is there anything to the fact that they’re so opposite? I find that really interesting. Is that just coincidence or like opposites attract or is it just how it looks? I

[03:59] Brian Lang: think some of all the above, some people were pretty astute. Some, some of your listeners were in the comments about, um they’re like, you guys realize that Emma is a Cancer and Joseph is a Capricorn. That is the mother and the father of the zodiac. That’s really cool. And I’m like, you,

[04:17] Michelle: it’s also the mother and the father of the restoration. I always call Emma our founding mother, right? And like, like that’s really, OK. Chills. That’s really, oh, seriously chills. That’s really cool. OK. So the mother and father of the Zone are the mother and the father of the restoration. OK? There’s our first like jaw drop moment, right? That’s pretty cool. OK. All right. So dig in because I’m seeing cool pictures, but you have to decode

[04:42] Brian Lang: it. OK? I’m gonna start decoding and, and, and I don’t have a mouse to where I’m pointing at it. So this is the order I’m gonna kind of go in and talk about it. But if you look at a below Emma Smith picture and you see the Blue Cancer symbol, it looks like a 69 and, and, and there’s like, it’s, it’s right to the left side of it. It’s by

[05:02] Michelle: ac Ascendant.

[05:05] Brian Lang: Ok. Ok. That’s where I’m gonna start and I’m gonna go counter clockwise as I’m talking about and decoding what her chart says. Ok. Very cool. And we’re gonna dig in. I, um, I was looking at this a little bit earlier today and then we had done this research a few weeks ago. Um I think I’m just a couple of minutes off. Um I could not have done this once again without Michelle. I could not have done it. Um And honestly, when I’m digging into Emma, like my heart is like breaking at the things that she’s gone through. Like I was like in tears over this. This was very emotionally intense.

[05:40] Michelle: Definitely, it was probably coming through in my messages as well because it was like emotional like and this and this and this and this and this, you know, because I have so much love and respect for Emma. In fact, my episode on Sunday is going to be another one dedicated to Emma that I’m so excited about that. Please don’t miss it. I know it’s conference but watch it. Ok. So anyway,

[06:00] Brian Lang: so, so just like one other forewarning, we have a lot of fun with Taylor and our other team here sometimes and we get kind of jovial. We may be a little more somber during this one out of respect to Emma. Emma.

[06:12] Michelle: So, all right. So go ahead and walk us through it. So

[06:15] Brian Lang: it looks like her ascendant is cancer also. So she’s a cancer son, cancer rising. What it looks like like the double mother archetype. This is like somebody that’s a nurturer, somebody that absolutely like loves and takes care of people. Um,

[06:31] Michelle: and that was Emma cared for the sick. Always had people in her home, always was caring for the like, like, well, she had 11 Children of her own. And then always throughout the rest of her life was bringing Children into her home to care for her. Like she was the embodiment of motherhood. I can see that completely. Ok. And nurture her. Yeah. And in, in doctor 25 like her calling is to be, is to comfort her husband, right to nurture him as well. So it’s throughout everywhere. Ok. That totally fits.

[07:06] Brian Lang: Yeah. So, um she would have been like that gives us some glimpse into her appearance. She would have been probably caring about being ladylike.

[07:15] Michelle: Definitely. So, um, very proper and yes, she

[07:19] Brian Lang: has some of that. Some of that comes from different parts of her chart. But, but um, womanly, I would say from this aspect, from the sun and the ascendant, I would say womanly from this aspect, other parts of her chart very appropriate. Um I do want to skip forward to where you see a green glyph. It’s, it’s Venus and it’s next to the moon symbol that’s blue and it’s in the both of them are in the constellation Leo. So this is, this is um very, very warm, passionate energy. This is something that could be fiery at times too. Um But in saying that when I think about these because that’s Venus and the moon and thinking about how she would have emotionally been or how she would have liked to have been treated with Joseph. That’s kind of some of the archetypes or themes that you get from the Venus and the moon placement because one’s emotions, one’s how you like to receive love Venus. That

[08:12] Michelle: is so she so define that for me. Does that mean she would have liked straightforward communication, like, like what would she have? She

[08:19] Brian Lang: would have liked authenticity. She would have liked passion and, but in given with these archetypes, it’s not the type of, if you have a woman like that, that’s passionate like that, it’s not the type of thing that somebody strays from. Sometimes when people like drift, there’s like a sometimes a lack of connection with their partner. If that makes sense, there was like, no, would have been no reason for this looking at her kind of chart and what we know about Emma, um she would have been very, I think, fulfilling to Joseph and how she was romantically.

[08:52] Michelle: Ok. So he, so we’re saying he wouldn’t necessarily had a reason to. Ok. And plus we combine that with his line. OK.

[09:00] Brian Lang: So with his chart and I say this because in his chart, it’s not everybody gets the leo energy or the passion energy, the romance or, or sexual energy. They get all of that in some place of their chart. But Joseph Smith gets put in a place that associates it with his partner. So

[09:17] Michelle: it’s all directed to Emma

[09:20] Brian Lang: and therefore, and it, and it brings up his, his leo energy comes in with the partner.

[09:27] Michelle: See, this is so like, like, I don’t want to be improper. But what we’re telling is that Joseph and Joseph and Emma had a very fulfilling connected relationship. They would have been very fulfilled by each other and they would have passionately loved one another and this is OK,

[09:42] Brian Lang: pushing it a little bit too far. But she would have been a very passionate lover. Yeah, like she would have been somebody that like fulfilled.

[09:48] Michelle: She put her heart and soul into loving Joseph and, and vice versa. Oh And then it just like, again breaks my heart all the times he was dragged away from her, all the times they were separated and then he was killed like, like it is just, it’s um because when you, when you get, I, I don’t know, I so appreciate what you do, giving us this glimpse to understand them in a completely different way and it makes them that much more real and their story that much more beautiful and heartbreaking

[10:16] Brian Lang: for stars to show that I am going to go there in a little bit. Um,

[10:21] Michelle: ok, it would have been hard for them to be apart. They loved each other and they wanted to be together and, ok. All right.

[10:29] Brian Lang: Yeah. And, and, but once again with Leo energy though, she would not have put up with polygamy.

[10:35] Michelle: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. This

[10:37] Brian Lang: would not have to cheating

[10:39] Michelle: of any kind, right? So she was

[10:43] Brian Lang: that she would have had a fight on her hand

[10:48] Michelle: and it would have like like, OK, she wouldn’t have done these. She wouldn’t have showed up the way that the polygamist story claims that she showed up where she was just really jealous and petty and like they would have been like we’re done. OK? Is that, am I getting that right? That’s, that’s how I interpret it.

[11:07] Brian Lang: It’s very like once again Leo, at those, her emotions like that can roar like a lion. She has that capability of like, you know, like

[11:16] Michelle: um she would let Brigham have it. She said, I mean, she said some things to Brigham like the first two principles of your gospel are lying and deception. She said that to Brigham, which I love, right? And so she, and then when John Taylor wanted to name the Relief Society wanted to change the name. She was like, no, we’re calling it the Relief Society. And this is why like she was, she would not be steamrolled, right? She, if she felt she wasn’t, she wasn’t looking for a fight. I this is my impression of her, but she would definitely stand her ground when she felt strong about something, right? And then she also had this fighting sense of humor. Maybe you’ll get into that where she was not afraid to be. I love the letter she wrote to Joseph when he was in prison where she says, give my respect to everyone that you respect. Like, you know, she was just so willing to like, like she was, I love, she was smart, smart. What did I just say? She was smart and funny? I combined those badly smart, funny and spunky and I love that about her speaking and good, good, good, good to her core.

[12:15] Brian Lang: Speaking of which some of that spunks and, and people know Taylor, he’s really funny, right? Gemini. Ok. She gets her moon, her emotions is the third house to where she is gonna, it’s gonna be an interest like to be talkative, humorous. And I could see picture her and Joseph having a lot of really good chats,

[12:36] Michelle: deep conversation conversations where they would like solve the problems of the universe, but also laugh, right? Like, like they would have a lot of fun together and a lot of that um intellectual and verbal connection as well as physical connection. OK? I love

[12:54] Brian Lang: that show that. Look at Mercury. It’s the green symbol with the little horns towards the little laugh just above where it says it’s, it’s

[13:02] Michelle: just above nine o’clock, right? Yes.

[13:04] Brian Lang: Ok. Um, or just, yeah. Yeah, just

[13:08] Michelle: above nine. We should do it by the clock.

[13:10] Brian Lang: Ok. We’ll do it by the clock. And so you see the Gemini symbol there, that’s her mercury. That’s what she likes to talk about. So that’s a line with Gemini and, and once again, Joseph’s Gemini rising. And so he would have had that talkative demeanor to him. And then she, that’s where her Mercury, her expression liked her. Get out too. She

[13:31] Michelle: was, she would have loved to hear the mysteries of Godliness that he had to share with her. Yes,

[13:36] Brian Lang: because Mercury is in the 12th house. 12th House are like the mysteries are Pisces. It’s the heavenly round. She would have loved to talk about spirituality. She would have

[13:45] Michelle: loved. 00 my gosh, this is incredible. So you can just get an insight into their relationship. Like that’s probably what like she was willing to sacrifice her entire family and almost never see them again. Oh, are you going into that? But because she loved Joseph so much. Ok. So

[14:01] Brian Lang: her Venus, what she likes to receive is in the second House that means like she did like gifts from people that would have been something that she would have liked. Like temporal

[14:11] Michelle: things have been love language, one of them. But the fact that she gave it

[14:16] Brian Lang: up for Joseph. She really

[14:20] Michelle: love this love. So, what you’re saying is it would have been a difficult, painful sacrifice for her to make, to experience so much poverty when maybe security and abundance was her desire. Oh my gosh, it

[14:35] Brian Lang: was one of them. But, but another like one strong desire for her would be the mysteries of God. Like she loved that kind of stuff. So

[14:43] Michelle: she was willing to prioritize that because the things that Joseph told her would have just brought her so close to God, which was what she wanted more than anything.

[14:51] Brian Lang: Yeah, I can imagine them like courting and him bringing up while I had this experience and she could, I could see her in her chart, like eating that

[14:58] Michelle: up. Yes. Yes. Yes. Like, well, and that’s what I think defines their relationship. Probably she, I don’t think he could have done what he did if she didn’t believe in him so much and support him so much. Right? OK. Oh my gosh. I love this. Isn’t this so fun to get these, like, further insights into them? I hope, I don’t know. I hope people are loving this as much as I am. OK.

[15:18] Brian Lang: OK. Can we talk about some hard things with her? And

[15:20] Michelle: you lead? OK. We’re

[15:22] Brian Lang: gonna go to the black symbol towards um like 7070 clock ish. There’s a black symbol that’s Saturn um Saturn.

[15:31] Michelle: So these are her trials in her life, right? Ok. You go ahead.

[15:35] Brian Lang: Yes. It’s generally seen as a bad omen or a trial. If we’re going to use some examples to articulate that people talk about the dreaded Saturn return where Saturn returns on your, on, on your chart. And

[15:49] Michelle: um you were saying Saturn is known for it.

[15:52] Brian Lang: Some people call it the black sun because it’s the ruling planet of Capricorn, the winter solstice where, where creation goes dark. OK. So they refer to the black sun which just hint, hint hint the idea of the eclipse and its meaning the sun goes black. It goes Saturnian because there’s, it’s about retraction about taking, taking away. So we

[16:14] Michelle: might so one of the reasons that we decided to do this episode well for Easter, but then also this week is because also the eclipse is coming and they put out some great content about the eclipse. So we might get into that a little bit as well. So OK. OK. So anyway, now that we’ve got that hint out of the way, tell us about Emma’s Saturn. So

[16:31] Brian Lang: her black son, what, what, what takes away the light, right? Um It’s kind of sad you have Saturn and Virgo placed into the fourth house. So Virgo is order purity like how things should be and that and that gets taken away. But it’s in conjunction with home safety security. It’s a but it’s about motherhood too. It’s about like she, she’s lost Children, she’s like, been displaced out of homes and had the order taken away the, the steadiness of life

[17:08] Michelle: craved that she would have, like, really wanted based on. So that’s showing that her, um, like, I think, I mean, she, well, maybe you’ll get to the one about Children. I’m assuming there might be something about that but about Holmes, like after she had already lost three Children and had been given the twins, which would have been actually a difficult experience to adopt babies when you, your babies were gone. You know, she was not in her home. She was staying at the Johnson farm. The babies were sick. Joseph was um tarred and feathered the door. She had to hide in the um barn with the babies, right? And one of her babies ended up dying from that. She went from that experience to where she was supposed to stay. I want to stay with the Whitneys. Maybe I’ve got the detail wrong and the aunt um yeah, I think it was with Elizabeth Whitney and she was sick and the aunt that didn’t approve said sorry, there’s no room for you here. So Emma who had just lost a baby was pregnant and had her, had her little Julia was literally homeless and was so mortified about that her whole life. She couldn’t even talk about it until the end of her life. And even then she was upset by it, then she um I mean, how many homes was she displaced from how many times was like, even when she was in her home, it would be ransacked sometimes by friends, you know, like that had turned on Joseph that would like, like, and then even after the, after the martyrdom, when, um, um, when, when she was trying to like, fight for her life and the life of her Children, the whole family was being killed, right? The whole Smith family and her house, they tried to set her house on fire multiple times. She even found wood stacked up with fire marks. But she felt so strongly that God was protecting her and God wouldn’t allow her. They, they wanted the, the Joseph Smith manuscript of the Bible, I believe just like with so many other things. So they could either change it, you know, so they could change it to make polygamy present because Joseph actually strengthened the Bible against polygamy. I think they would have done the opposite. They didn’t have access to it. So I think if they couldn’t have it that they want to destroy it is my best guess. So anyway, so all of these things, I just thinking that just goes right into what you’re seeing a

[19:22] Brian Lang: perfect match. We’re showing that these are legit. God has a language in the sky and it’s so, yes,

[19:29] Michelle: Emma’s insecurity in her home is a huge, huge part of her um life, a huge painful part of her life. I can’t imagine how hard that would be. I, I, maybe I don’t, I, I really like security. I like knowing that, you know, like, I know, I hate it when, when we’ve had financial problems and we didn’t know if we were going to lose our home. That was so, in so difficult or even when you might be moving, you’re not sure you can’t settle in. So you feel this insecurity? Like, like, I hate that so much. So, I would, Emma have hated that as well with her. That’s

[20:07] Brian Lang: not, it doesn’t show her personality in that, in that spot. It’s showing that it’s showing that it’s more of an omen that’s taking this

[20:16] Michelle: from her. I guess. I’m just thinking any mother trying to raise a family needs to feel security. Right.

[20:23] Brian Lang: That would be, she has a Mars and Tas also and that, that would want to be a little more safe in the comforts of,

[20:29] Michelle: oh, that’s what I guess I meant. Like she wanted to be comfortable and secure. So then,

[20:34] Brian Lang: yeah, because she has second house alignments and second house alignments would want to enjoy the good things of life and be in a safe steady place and, yeah, certainly.

[20:43] Michelle: Ok. Ok. Oh, ok. Keep going. You had, did you have something else in that? The

[20:48] Brian Lang: gist of that? Um, I want to jump to Jupiter Jupiter’s, um, just right of six o’clock. It’s the red line. It’s the red 100,

[20:58] Michelle: ok. Just right there at the um, so

[21:00] Brian Lang: it says 26 degrees. Um I think I got her chart like a minute or two off. This is the one thing that would have shifted into a different house. It’s right on this chart. It shows right between the fourth and the fifth house. But I think she was born just a couple of minutes earlier than the time I have there. And then that would shift the chart just enough and would push that Jupiter into the fifth house and, and this Omen can mean that she had a very romantic loving partner.

[21:26] Michelle: So Jupiter is like the gift. It’s the, it’s the energy

[21:30] Brian Lang: that blew up. It’s big on you.

[21:32] Michelle: So Saturn takes away and Jupiter is the biggest planet that’s like abundant. It magnifies it.

[21:39] Brian Lang: What it’s gonna give you in abundance. So number one, it’s in her Libra that means her, she got a partner bigger than life,

[21:49] Michelle: you think? OK. This is so cool. It’s amazing. All right.

[21:52] Brian Lang: Um I think that it’s like when you get her birth time just right exact. It’s right cusp between the 4th and 5th house. I think it’s actually in the fifth house and that puts it in the house of Leo. One of the archetypes of that is that her partner could be very romantic with her. Another arc, archetype with that is that her partner made a lot of drama.

[22:17] Michelle: OK?

[22:19] Brian Lang: To a partner that was bigger than life and brought tons of drama and attention to the scene.

[22:26] Michelle: I think we can say yes, this is

[22:28] Brian Lang: like a so Leo’s like constellation Leo is like the one of the symbols of the Messiah. So like it’s a Messianic figure as a husband.

[22:37] Michelle: Wow. And I cannot think even like going through all of American history, I can’t think of a more dramatic character than Joseph Smith, right? Like, like, like your name will be had for good and evil. And still to this day, the debates about Joseph Smith are as emotionally charged as anything, right? Ok. Wow, that’s, that’s crazy. Ok. Very cool.

[23:05] Brian Lang: Some of these are sad. All right. Um So her Lilith, that’s the black moon. Um Where is it on the chart? It’s five

[23:15] Michelle: o’clock. Ok. Ok. Oh, right there. Yeah.

[23:17] Brian Lang: So Lilas, the scene is like that o of like, oh, that makes me feel wy, I don’t feel good about this. And Scorpio can has the, the archetype, the theme of people dying of people having sexual misconduct. So it brings in those kind of themes. And

[23:35] Michelle: so what does her lilith mean?

[23:36] Brian Lang: It’s just like something that comes up for her in her life. So it’s not her personality,

[23:41] Michelle: it’s something she’s having to be a good deal, something that she deals with. So would that, would you, some people might interpret that to say she had a cheating husband but we know that that’s not in Joseph’s chart. So you’re saying that it would be like the allegations of the lies that she would have to put up through

[23:56] Brian Lang: her show some trials and yucky stuff from that.

[24:00] Michelle: Ok. So she would just hate how all of this felt, all of the lies about her husband would just feel gross. Ok. I can see that.

[24:06] Brian Lang: And I’ve been like a little hesitant to really, really dive into a lot of these because um because some, some of these planets are very generational and I don’t know if we have time to go through what was happening generationally through like all of the restoration. So we may touch on it. But

[24:23] Michelle: so when you mean generational, you mean for that whole generation at that time, this was the, this was the planetary alignment for this

[24:30] Brian Lang: people. So when you get to the early planets, the planets that are moving really quick around like the moon like Mars, you’re looking at personality. Then when you go into Jupiter and Saturn, you’re not looking at personality anymore. You’re looking at omens of blessing and cursing for your whole life. And then when you go into the far outer planet, the people couldn’t even observe. Yeah, they have like they may not have known much about it in Joseph’s Day because they were less known about, but they are more. But we, they’ve been studied now and people are finding that they have to do with more demographics and, and like what’s going on?

[25:03] Michelle: Ok. That makes sense because it would be there. It would be in its placement for that entire generation’s lifespan. So it would the, I get it. So, so,

[25:12] Brian Lang: um, I don’t think we have time to go through American history. I want to get to some other more poignant thing. But uh, needless to say, um, her Neptune, Neptune can be concealment. It can be, um, the idea of a celebrity figure in her life. Um And then once again, it’s in Scorpio, it’s the omen of death and fame.

[25:34] Michelle: So that would be like her husband’s. Ok. So,

[25:38] Brian Lang: but that, that affected the whole generation too. So there was something that OK for

[25:44] Michelle: that, which is interesting because Joseph Smith came up in that generation and there are probably other stories like there were a lot of abolitionists who were killed. There were like, I think it was a time where there were heroes who were murdered by. Well, I mean, we, and we’re leading into the Civil war, right? Like this would be Abraham Lincoln came around that was famous and killed. It seemed to be something I guess we could say JFK as well. I mean, we’re just looking at American history, but I think it is interesting in that time frame as well. Ok.

[26:13] Brian Lang: Um I don’t want to spend much time in this but are Chyrons in, in a Capricorn, but it’s more a place in the sixth House. Um it’s Chiron is known as the broken healer. It brings in themes like um what you’re trying to like fix around you or heal around you. But it kind of keeps happening and it’s once again, it’s in the sixth house which is Virgo order purity people getting sick all around you. And as much as you’re doing it, they keep, it keeps happening. Something that keeps you

[26:43] Michelle: busy. She’s caring so much for her Children. They keep dying. She’s caring so much for the people and, and there still is this sickness like Don Carlos, her brother in law and Don Carlos, her child both died of malaria while she was working so hard to care for them. Like am I hitting on it? Yeah,

[26:59] Brian Lang: the Capricorn would make me relate more to death and the, and the people getting sick all the time relate more to the sixth

[27:07] Michelle: house. And then she also had this pure relationship. She worked so hard to uphold the virtues and the morals in nuan yet polygamy kept coming around, you know, she worked so hard to, to be a moral, upright person and her and to defend her husband’s name and yet the rumors kept growing and growing. I guess I’m just thinking of all of the battle she was fighting you, you’re

[27:32] Brian Lang: like intuitive, you keep going into like the next thing, the next sign, it’s like you don’t know what these signs mean, but you keep going into

[27:38] Michelle: the next it’s good.

[27:43] Brian Lang: Um But the north node is like the north node is, which is um 910 o’clock, right? No, no, 222 or three o’clock, two or three o’clock. Um North node is in Aquarius eighth house which has to do with you just already said it all. Um North node is like karma lessons like what you were supposed to learn in this life, what you d in the face and it shows that it’s like people appropriateness because you have Aquarius like fame. It can represent that. But the Eighth House is death, sexuality like um the taboo people doing wrong. So it’s about people doing wrong, doing mischief, doing killing murder. So she

[28:27] Michelle: was going to be even though it had nothing to do with her, she, it was going to surround her. It was something she was supposed to face. I think she did it. Well, I think we can say chromatic lesson. Is that how you look at it? I don’t know. As opposed to you talked last time about Brigham’s chromatic lesson and I can be like he did so well on that one. All right.

[28:53] Brian Lang: So we’ll touch on Pluto. It’s generational too. Um It’s one of the slower moving ones. Um but it’s in Pisces ninth house. That is so, so this alignment is the same for when Joseph was born, but it also was the same alignment from uh for Emma. And that is Pluto is in Pisces it means that there’s a transformation of spirituality that’s happening on earth because it’s getting set to happen.

[29:22] Michelle: So, and that would be generational because at least for people who believe in any of this, the coming forth of like, that’s when the couple was born, who were called to bring forth the restoration. That’s incredible. Also, we know that there was the great awakening, like, like religious ideas were going crazy in America at that time. Ok. So it’s in the

[29:43] Brian Lang: ninth House for Emma, meaning it represents not just spirituality but higher thought religion and other stuff too. There’s an awakening of religion. Um One other thing to not just to clarify about Pisces. So Pisces is, has two fish and one fish is sending to the north. It’s ascending to heaven. It’s the ascent. So it’s the theme of that generation that somebody is making an ascent, like the stars are like calling it out. So for people that may not be believers in Joseph being a prophet, the stars are showing somebody making the sent to the, to God. So if it wasn’t Joseph, find somebody else because it happened. What happened? It’s in the stars.

[30:25] Michelle: That’s so cool. All right. OK. That’s really cool. All right. OK. So, so is there anything, I guess my next question? I want you to go over anything else in Emma’s? You want to? But then I also want to know if there’s anything about the, like the um combination of Joseph and Emma, like, sort of the symbiosis between them. That would be interesting. You know, like I liked when we were talking about sort of their love life, you know, like, like not to be intrusive, but it helps us understand their relationship. Is there anything else in their relationship? We should understand. But first is there anything else

[30:56] Brian Lang: you can get charts and, like, lay them side by side and have them all connect? So I’m going to do this off the cuff without that. But, um, I should have been more

[31:04] Michelle: prepared. Well, I guess I should have asked you all of my questions in advance. I’m just thinking if

[31:08] Brian Lang: they have a very good communicative, they have a lot of air and so they would have liked to share intelligent conversation. They would have been very talkative with

[31:18] Michelle: each other. So we’ve already talked about that, but it kind of gives you an even more, their conversation would have been very, um high energy and kind of like just going everywhere and like, it would have been a big thing in their relationship, was talking to each

[31:31] Brian Lang: other and she could have got like, more excited. They would have both got more excited than chatty. Um, Joseph would have been very, like what been a little bit more, probably reflective though and a little, but they both have earth too to where they, like, I hate like this is maybe gets a little bit intimate. But, um, Joseph has a lot of earth in him and that would have came through in his persona and her Mars is an earth mixed with the 11th house. So it’s a, it’s a earth air mix and then he’s all earth and air. She would have been very sexually attracted to

[32:05] Michelle: the magnetism. She would have had a magnetism. There was, there was a huge magnetism between these,

[32:10] Brian Lang: like you can see that like why she

[32:12] Michelle: was, she was so attract to him and, and I like how, so you said last time also, like, they would have been very chatty, but she would have been behind the scenes talking to him. Not as comfortable. I’m guessing. I mean, she did, she did speak publicly, but it seemed like he was the one, it didn’t seem like they were competing for the stage. He was more the public figure.

[32:32] Brian Lang: She would have been like a, more of like a she has aspects that are third deck and, and third deck and go can be a little more public. So she would have, she has a lot of second deck and if I’m looking at it right, she has a lot of second deck and signs which are more like one on one and, and how she is, how she is like a smaller group and cancer is not usually like here I am. They’re not spreading themselves all

[32:55] Michelle: over. That’s, I guess that’s what I’m wondering because So Joseph seemed like speaking publicly on religion was his happy place, one of his happy place. And it seems to me that Emma was very capable of doing that and willing to do it. But I think it depleted her a little bit more. That’s, that’s what I’m reading into my study, their history. But I don’t know if that is showing in

[33:15] Brian Lang: the Joseph was the persona of that where his, his outward persona was chatty bubbly and his inward persona was more the goat. It was more like this is what I need to do to get to here. I’m not going to give up, more driven and determined and but then playful, like a little probably more goofy, like affectionate. We talk

[33:38] Michelle: about that last time. Like people thought he wasn’t a prophet because he was like doing, he was wrestling and playing with the kids and he always did the Indian leg wrestles and he was always laughing and joking and into jovial even why he felt like he had to repent. So that shows. Yeah.

[33:50] Brian Lang: So, so, so M ma have flipped with him a little bit. There been a little more like probably reverent, like glamorous, like womanly in public proper, but then would have got chatty in private and would have opened up and like kind of matched him and they would have

[34:06] Michelle: and would have had good connections with one on one because she probably would have loved to talk to her other friends, Eliza Snow and Sarah, I mean, Elizabeth Whitney and, you know, the other women that she was connected to, I guess just she missed a lot of relief society meetings when she was the president. But I think it’s because she was losing Children. She was sick. She was dealing with all of these things and, and so it didn’t seem like going to a relief society meeting was something that she craved that would have feed her and repair her. It seemed like it would take something from, you know, she seems more like an introvert to me, I guess a

[34:38] Brian Lang: little bit more. Um, maybe not. I shouldn’t pick on my brother here, but he’s a cancer rising like she is and he is definitely an introvert more of a home body because you’re putting, like you have the concept of the home connected to her bo body. She’s, she’s literally

[34:52] Michelle: the home body. Like she’s literally the home body. OK. And that OK. And that makes it so painful that she had so much struggle with stability in her home. OK? Or security in her home. All right. OK. Anything else you see that we should cover? I think

[35:08] Brian Lang: that’s a good start. II I, should we go into the, the calendar of the last few months

[35:15] Michelle: of Joseph? Yes, that would be fascinating. And I do, I know that we have other astrologers in the audience that, you know, listen, I talked to a few of them. So I would love to have people add, I just think that, you know, the more brains working on this, the, the, so it’s great to get more insight. Like someone sharing that. It’s the mother and the father. That was cool. Right.

[35:34] Brian Lang: So they

[35:37] Michelle: are fun. Yeah. So go ahead and add them and I know that Brian’s really good at being responsive and engaging in the comments. So. Ok. Yep.

[35:44] Brian Lang: Ok. I’m going to give some caveats on, on this. Um I’m I’m a, I was a little bit nervous and hesitant to even release this information. Um I, I think that it could trigger some people that it’s even possible to do stuff like this. But with the stars, it’s, it’s like a calendar, you can look at the past, present and the future, you can look at events and I clipped off all the calculations. I decided that, hey, I’m going to share this about Joseph. You can take my word for it. You can dismiss I’d rather be dismissed than how, how to do this fall into the wrong hands because I think it’s dangerous information to know how to do this. It can be misused. So I’m not going to share that openly online, but needless to say this is showing what was happening in the Solar Revolution of Joseph’s last year of his life and the themes that were coming up which led to his death.

[36:39] Michelle: Oh, wow. Ok. Ok.

[36:41] Brian Lang: Um As you see, we start like, and I put the dates, I put little dates along the calendar so you can have an idea of when he was going through these themes and we’ll go through those in order. Um But on his birthday, December 23rd, 1843 that’s when his calendar year would have started. And the fact that his ascendant in there is placed um in the leo consolation. It brings in the idea that like the last year of his life, the main theme of it is fame.

[37:17] Michelle: Oh, so his fame grew and grew and grew drama

[37:20] Brian Lang: attention. Like he brought attention to himself. It’s in the first house.

[37:25] Michelle: OK.

[37:27] Brian Lang: All right. And as you kind of go through and I didn’t do a full thorough like looking at every last thing he did, but I put January 1st there, February 1st there just to show the will of like what he was going through. Um You notice where I put King Fet there um about the King Follett history. From my understanding, King Follett was a friend and he was in fourth house energy there. He was in fourth house, 1/4 house theme, but also in Sagittarius energy at that time. So interpreting that um I’m gonna have to pull you guys back to what happened with 911, 911, happened with um Jupiter and uh which is his expansion. It’s expanding that Jupiter was in s um cancer and it was ex and, and if you remember how you felt for those who were old enough for that is like, there was a sense of like expanding security right after that event, expanding safety. Like

[38:29] Michelle: that’s what we were going to make big. That’s what we were gonna focus,

[38:31] Brian Lang: that’s what got focused on, expanded, grew. And then we went through people that flew planes like it took a lot longer right after There was a lot more security, a lot more. So there was a little bit of that. But with some of that comes of the feeling of like there was death and mourning and wanting comfort. And likewise, it shows that was going on in Joseph’s life. There was like a longing for comfort like it was a funeral where that sermon was not just that it’s in Sagittarius, it’s higher thoughts, higher learning. And he went way into that. It shows that he was flowing in the energy and the themes were coming up for him in his life.

[39:13] Michelle: So let me ask you this because I, so I haven’t gotten, I haven’t done my deep dive into the King followed sermon yet. But I know there are a lot of people that claim it wasn’t Joseph that he didn’t give that sermon, that they don’t believe it. It sounds and I haven’t dug, dug into it to even see what, what those claims are coming from. But it sounds to me like you’re saying astrologically, it looks like he did give that sermon. It fits that, that he would have, well,

[39:37] Brian Lang: like the idea that there was a funeral is the fourth house. It shows that there was some, probably some mourning and

[39:42] Michelle: wanting comfort there. Yeah. I think, I don’t think people say that King Paulet didn’t die. I don’t know. I don’t know exactly what the claims are. So sorry if I misrepresented them, someone can.

[39:50] Brian Lang: Right. But, um, that’s what I get the concerns about that sermon because, and we get like a lot of people in our circles that get very skeptical about everything. Like they, they just, they’re like overly dismissing about everything

[40:05] Michelle: and I’m not comfortable with that. I’m like, we have to have the evidence. We can’t just say I like that. Therefore, Joseph did that. I don’t like it. Therefore, Joseph didn’t. I’m like that. That doesn’t

[40:13] Brian Lang: work. Yeah, there’s, there’s like some, there’s some extreme voices out there in online forums and, and where everything’s lied about, like, they’re dismissing the Bible and like, you can’t even like bring up scriptures and they’ll be like, oh, that’s not real. And it’s like in the Bible and it’s like, ok,

[40:31] Michelle: this is, they get, we get blended together and that’s why they lump lump everyone in and just say conspiracy theorist and I’m like, it’s not a conspiracy theory if you are backing it up and discussing the evidence. But when you go away from evidence and you just start saying, I don’t believe, I don’t believe it and you can’t convince me. Then it’s like, OK, then it’s not worth engaging. So I

[40:48] Brian Lang: get that I can’t vouch for a perfect copy of the King F discourse. And I would agree that there’s probably two or three very unreliable witnesses, but it has like six people having written portions of that.

[41:00] Michelle: So, yeah, so we’ll just go ahead. So the

[41:03] Brian Lang: idea that the, the, the talk was about higher ideas. And um and yeah, he, he, he was talking about higher ideas. He had higher ideas on his mind at that time. So there were some higher ideas that he was going through at that time. So I would like to venture to say that there is at least parts of that talk that we legit. OK.

[41:25] Michelle: OK. That’s if they can dismiss some of them. I like it because I like, but usually I have done the study and then you’re adding the astrology to it with that one. I feel like I’m getting the astrology, the astrological glimpse of it first and then I’ll dive in and do the study. So it’ll be interesting to see where it

[41:39] Brian Lang: goes. Would you do that for me all the time? Because I’ll be like in this, like, I’ll look at the stars and like narratives in the scriptures and oh, they’re giving me this theme and I haven’t researched in history and then I I tune into programs like yours and it’s like, oh, they’re, they’re proving the stars are true. The stars showed that

[41:56] Michelle: it’s fun to have both. It’s great. Ok, so keep

[41:59] Brian Lang: going. Um There’s my notes are small there, so I have to look closely. Yes. So if you look at it’s in between May 1st and June 1st and I aligned it, I don’t, I, I wrote it May 17th. It’s a speech on evils of the Nation Upper Room of the Red Brook Storehouse. And there was a document in the Jo um not in the Joe Smith papers, but in the words of Joseph Smith, I was just thumbing through that and that’s right in line with mercury on the same day that mercury came into his chart. And usually when mercury comes in your chart, you’re, you’re talking a lot, there’s something you’re discussing, there’s something that you’re giving. So it’s interesting that the stars show that he’s speaking that day and it’s documented. He gave a great speech that day at the same day. Um What’s interesting is in late May from what you’re telling me that there was some attempts on his life like he was like from the hi

[42:54] Michelle: you said, yeah, I will have to look in and get exactly what I was looking at. But I’m trying to think of when the because this is 1844. So when the expositor was started, that was in early June. But before that, yes, when he’s giving the, um, the, the, the, they, they are definitely seeking his life and threatening him. There were a lot of really unsettling events happening then. Yes.

[43:15] Brian Lang: And that’s when his Saturn return comes in and it shows that like, that’s in, no, that’s just out of the fifth house. But it’s in, it’s in Capricorn and, and the Capricorn is a symbol of himself. That’s a sun sign. The Saturn is like the destroying angel like raining in on him. It shows that there’s like a danger for him at that time. And it’s interesting that you would align those dates that you

[43:40] Michelle: gave me find the dates again because I know I looked them up to say, when did the Missourians come in the boat? And um I’m trying to remember who it was that pretended they were a friend and tried to get him to come out and then someone pulled a gun on him. I wanna say it’s one of the hippies. I need to go back to my exposure episodes to remind myself of the details. But there was a lot that happened during that time.

[44:01] Brian Lang: Um This is like trippy looking at it. Um So then when his moon alignment comes in, so when the moon alignment comes in on your calendar for the year, it’s usually like a triggering emotional thing that happens that makes you like so often times makes you very angry, like, like that really triggers me. Right. That was the exact time the Expo nau Expositor was published. Oh, like writing and reading his Stars. Boom. Emotional Trigger. Like that same day. Not only that um it was in the sixth House which has to do with order and like purity and like questioning his purity on stuff. But it was also in a Aquarius which has to do with a properness and also something that’s going out to everybody because Aquarius is people. It’s something that went public.

[44:47] Michelle: Oh my gosh, that’s incredible. And I always have to draw attention to this because people know so little and approach things. People think they have this story in their mind that the expositor exposed Joseph’s polygamy and Joseph wanted to hide his polygamy so he destroyed it nonsense, complete nonsense. Bennett’s book was already published. The, the newspapers had already care. All of this was already out there. I think the thing that was so painful about the expositor was it went after his revelations, his structure of the church, his like, like it made every accusation of him as um a prophet in general. And it accused, I think that actually the polygamy would have been one of the less painful parts of it that it accused him of because all I had were those three affidavits which he generally just was like, this is stupid, right? That’s how I think he looked at a lot of it. But I do think that the expositor in general when he, it was another betrayal by a first president in his counselor, like his first counselor in his presidency. I said that backward. It was another trusted and now he’s working so hard to keep the mob at bay and they are intentionally trying to rile up the mob there. He’s worked so hard to try to keep himself and the people safe and here they are trying to undermine everything he’s doing out of their own greed when he’s sacrificing everything to try to build this. Like I think it was the sort of the injustice and the betrayal of it and the exhaustion of it that made, that was, that was the issue to him, not the polygamy that it claims because it didn’t even have good claims about polygamy. It’s ridiculous. I have to do my fourth episode. Does that make sense? Like I think it would have been super triggering but I want to clarify. It’s not because of polygamy. It’s because it was undermining everything he was working so hard for after it had already happened before they had already been mobbed in um Missouri. He was already having to deal with John Bennett and now here is William Law, another first counselor in his first presidency or yeah, counselor in his first presidency trying to destroy NAVOO and bring the mob in and like, like I that would be so triggering to him. I think that totally so sorry. I went off on that, but it makes me so mad and it breaks my heart for him. Ok.

[47:02] Brian Lang: So this is where, like, it gets, like, even more intense that way is if you look at, um, it was a few days before, um, he died that he went to Carthage. Right. And that’s where his, uh, Neptune alignment. That’s like the wall concealment. Also the idea of becoming a celebrity too. Um, but yeah, that’s in the, the Hebrew character for Neptune is, is the wall. It’s, it’s the bell. It’s,

[47:32] Michelle: it’s so what would that mean? How would that apply?

[47:35] Brian Lang: It brings in the idea also that something is going to be concealed that happens there and,

[47:42] Michelle: and that could mean a lot of things. Well, so there was a lot of lying and a lot of like Governor Ford, one of the reasons he agreed to go to Carthage is because Ford promised him protection, which was a lie and then the false, ok, the false friends everywhere, like we don’t know what happened in Carthage.

[48:03] Brian Lang: But again, you went into the stars are showing.

[48:06] Michelle: Ok. Ok. I guess I’m just saying there’s a lot of, in fact, and let me just say my episode on Sunday is going to be about false claims that are still being made about Emma during this time period right here. And so because, yeah, there was a lot going on in this entire last weeks of his life would have been incredibly intense and stressful, I think.

[48:27] Brian Lang: Yes. So when you look at the point of when he dies, it’s actually the good omen though. Kind of Jupiter is there. The problem is, is that it is descendant. So your ascendant is like where you like your power is yourself is where, where everything’s like your birthday, your birthday is where your ascendant is. Everything’s happy, everything is going in your favor, you get attention in your birthday, right? OK. He’s dying right near his descendant, six months like an oppositional force. And Jupiter’s so you’re, you’re, you’re putting expansion Jupiter expansion on the underworld for him where he dies because he dies at his Jupiter return. So what

[49:11] Michelle: does that mean?

[49:12] Brian Lang: It means a couple things.

[49:14] Michelle: I’m imagining Obi Wan Kuno saying you can’t imagine how powerful I will become like like when he lets Darth Vader kill him, am I am I?

[49:23] Brian Lang: That’s a perfect example. That’s an inspired example because Jupiter’s in Aquarius and it’s also in the seventh house. Um So it has a few Os, it means it does mean that it’s expanding his descent, but it also means it’s expanding how much he’s known because it’s in the people. He spread. His legend spreads to all people because that’s an Aquarius, but it’s also in the seventh house, meaning that his companions are now going to be expanded and known to all people, his, his companions that are with him are going to grow because seventh house is the companions, but the stars gives a little bit of a twist to that. Um It pings with, if you look at these blue and red lines that’s pinging with other energies from his birth, from his destiny and what it pings off of is the planet Uranus and, and Uranus his birth, I’m gonna make sure I read this right and claim it right. Um Uranus is in the fifth house and it, and it’s like basically conned with Saturn. Saturn is his undoing it. Pings with Saturn, which is his undoing the destroying angel visiting from, from a line from the the the destroying angel’s position at his like

[50:48] Michelle: harmonizing with these other

[50:52] Brian Lang: chart. OK? And it also is pinging with like passion, aggression because you, it’s the fifth house of his birth, like his fame. It’s pinging with that. It’s also pinging with in the co um with the Libra energy. If you look at the Libra energy on his um return. Um Right, right at that position. And that’s the companion and it’s pinging with Uranus, which is a symbol of rebellion. So there’s this symbol of rebellion that it’s pinging with from his companions,

[51:28] Michelle: meaning his companions in the prison or meaning his life companion. Emma, do you? Because some people would maybe say, oh, that means Emma was rebelling against him, which doesn’t make sense with everything else. So, but it sounds to me like you’re saying like he gave those sermons in the last in May. And I think also in June saying my life is more at risk from friends than from enemies from within, than from without. So it’s kind of this betrayal energy is that, is that,

[51:54] Brian Lang: yeah, it’s showing like a betrayal, that type of thing there. Yes.

[51:58] Michelle: Ok. Wow. So it’s kind of like killing him, sealed, like, like, like John Taylor wrote, you know, sealed his legacy. He became a martyr, which is always going to make you bigger, right? So this whole and, and I think this whole last year of his life, he was in national headlines. He was, you know, it became um I think his fame did grow at that time. And then I’m assuming that the martyrdom was so shocking that that grew his fame and was put in national headlines. And then like you said, then Brigham Young continued to be in national headlines for a long time, but in a much, much more negative context because of things like polygamy and the Mountain Metals massacre like Mormonism became a hiss and a by word for the entire nation right there. Isn’t

[52:47] Brian Lang: I get your point. I want to rewind just a little bit your point of like, was it Emma, was it his hidden companions? There’s another planet. Then his return that gives like some more context. And it once again shows Mars like and Mars is where there would be a fight against him. And it’s showing that as a theme for that year. And it’s in the seventh house, which has to do with the companion, but it’s also contained in Pisces and Pisces is the house of hidden enemies. It shows that like there was a danger from a hidden enemy that claimed to be a companion. So

[53:20] Michelle: it’s exactly what he was saying in his sermons, like, like the false brethren are where the danger is. And so, ok, this is so what I’m going to go into on Sunday in my next episode are of Brigham’s and the church’s accusations that Emma was responsible for Joseph’s death, which I think that, um, well, I’ll go into it more but I think that they are putting their own stuff onto her. It’s the narcissistic projection, right? And anyway, and I think from what I’m hearing, you’re saying the stars support that.

[53:56] Brian Lang: Well, like if we’re going to look at people’s natal charts and I don’t have everybody from the restoration’s natal chart remembered. But we’re looking at, but if we’re looking at Mars placement where somebody’s like, been more provoked, more ready to go into a fight, like at the time of Joseph Smith dying, um, Emma’s Mars is right there. It’s in Taras and Mars was in cancer. Um, and I would want to see who else’s Mars was in that. I mean, so it shows a fight, like maybe against Emma’s ego, but it doesn’t have the magnetic system of her fighting against somebody. It shows that like her heart maybe was hit. Like if you’re looking at the alignment of the heavens, because if, if you have like certain heavy placements and then Mars heads in like heads into one of your placements, it can make you a little more aggressive during that time. And so that’s, so that’s what I’m saying. So, so, so where Mars is placed could make her ego feel a little more like, oh, but not in the way that she would be fighting somebody herself and because her Mars is tas, it’s not a match, it doesn’t ping there really. But, um, anybody in the restoration that matches Mars in the placement when Joseph died to, um, where Mars was placed on the heavens, which would have baited them more into that energy. Is Brigham Young, he has Mars

[55:20] Michelle: and let’s just go to that for one second. Can we like, like you can kind of show us, I don’t know if you can flip the

[55:26] Brian Lang: next.

[55:27] Michelle: It’s right there. Yeah. Ok. So go ahead and show us what I’ve got to get it down here so you can see it better look

[55:33] Brian Lang: for the red one with the arrow. It’s

[55:36] Michelle: OK. Here it is. Ok. So

[55:39] Brian Lang: it’s, it’s 10 o’clock. His, um, Brigham Young’s Mars sign that’s in cancer and, and, um, and the en the energy of the universe, if, if anybody would have made Brigham Young more aggressive around this time. It would have been Joseph Smith. It would have been Brigham Young, more aggressive, like towards like more angry than about like Emma, if we’re looking at restoration figures,

[56:03] Michelle: and it would be interesting to look at, like, according to Justin Griffin’s claim, it’d be interesting to look at John Taylor and Willard Richards specifically because Brigham Young was, no one is saying that Brigham Young killed Joseph and Hiram, but they’re saying that he, which is kind of like he was very involved in arranging it, right? Does that makes sense. And so, but, but Brigham is claiming that Emma was very involved in arranging it, which is hard to, I want to know if that lines up. Well,

[56:35] Brian Lang: I mean, the book of Mormon, if anything is a parable. Um If, if you, once again, if you follow the book of Mormon, um the Lamanites kind of uh they grow big, they flourish and they eventually distinguish the knee fights. If you look at our restoration, the Lamanites grew like the, the LDS church did and the, and the R LDS church grew and then, then they minimized and almost like is extinct at this point.

[57:05] Michelle: And they also, and they also have the R LDS officially, the community of Christ now has like completely, but I, I don’t want to offend anyone but has betrayed the legacy of Emma Smith and Joseph Smith, the third Joseph Smith, their first prophet, not their founding prophet. But their first, like, they, they were committed to preaching the truth that Joseph wasn’t a polygamist. And the community of Christ now has completely betrayed that and says that Joseph was a polygamist. That’s interesting too. So, and, and then they just barely sold all of their properties to the LDS church. So they have become smaller and smaller and smaller. Yeah. Right. Where they’re almost like the knee fights.

[57:44] Brian Lang: Yes. But if you look at the like the book of Mormon as a parable for what’s happening in the restoration, you have the Malachia story come up where he doesn’t kill the king on his own. He sends his servants to kill the king and then he Weds himself to the queen. What’s interesting is the woman with the crown of 12 stars. Joseph Smith makes a change in the Joseph Smith translation of the Book of Revelation. And he says, and the woman with the crown of 12 stars is the church of God. So the woman, the queen is a figure according to Joseph Smith translation, meaning the church of God, meaning it’s implicating the one that sends his servants as wedding, the church of God. The book of Mormon is laying

[58:27] Michelle: that out. I’m gonna have to like, think about that for a long time to like get all of the implications of what you just said. I’m not, I don’t think I’m comprehensive,

[58:35] Brian Lang: implicating the mastermind of Joseph getting killed

[58:39] Michelle: and trying to

[58:40] Brian Lang: by the person who Weds themselves to the church. It’s

[58:43] Michelle: scars, it’s scar with Musa. Like that’s what it is, right? I’m trying, I have to make it make sense to me. But like, and he takes the entire pride and oh my gosh, the lion house, the lion of the Lord. I guess

[58:58] Brian Lang: that’s a Mormon implicates the mastermind. If we’re going to look at that as an

[59:02] Michelle: allegory, OK. The only thing I did wrong there with that analogy is that Mufasa also had a harem as the scar. Joseph. Joseph didn’t have a harm. So my, my analogy falls apart there. But, ok, I just had to understand what that meant and I really do bring him throughout his sermons and I’ll go into some of these. He wanted more than anything else to Emma, for Emma to submit to him, for Emma to become his wife. Then he could have taken the entire legacy of Joseph without like that was part of why he hated Emma so much because she wouldn’t submit. Right. So, so does that seems to fit with what you’re saying is that Brigham wanted this. But Em, and Emma, if she had had a weaker character might have gone along with it, it would have made her life easier in some ways. Well, other than Brigham probably would have killed Joseph the third. And, I mean, I mean, they were like, you know, what about

[59:58] Brian Lang: the gun misfiring story? Is that a legitimate account.

[1:00:01] Michelle: What’s the, 00, you mean about Joseph Smith? Joseph,

[1:00:04] Brian Lang: the, the heir, Joseph Smith Junior the third or

[1:00:07] Michelle: whoever the gun misfiring with Joseph. I’m embarrassing myself that, I don’t know. There’s

[1:00:11] Brian Lang: an account apparently that, um, the, the, the heir, the older son of Joseph that was alive, got given a pistol from Brigham Young as a birthday gift and it backfired and about killed him. I

[1:00:26] Michelle: didn’t, oh, something else to look into. Ok, I’ll look into that. I don’t know that story. So I know I know some other story, but that’s an interesting one. I know that Brigham Young was none too fond of Joseph the third and had only negative things to say about him. And I believe that when Joseph and Emma’s sons came on a mission to Salt Lake, it was kind of like the sense of um Alma Amen and the sons of Alma going to the Lamanites. Like, like there was fear of what might happen to them, but I think that they were so well known they couldn’t be taken out without it being too obvious, you know. So, um so they were, their lives weren’t threatened but my gosh, Brigham had a lot to say about them. So it was interesting. So anyway, ok, this is really interesting and, and I, I guess I need to, I’m, I’m hypothesizing some things I would need to back out. But I, I got back some things up but I do think it is pretty well understood that Brigham hated Emma because she didn’t just submit and go along with him as the new ruler and go along with the church. Right. She was loyal to Joseph.

[1:01:29] Brian Lang: And if anything here, like, I see a naturally good relationship between Emma and Joseph, I see. Good compatibility. I see.

[1:01:38] Michelle: Ok. So you don’t see anything in this. They both have a

[1:01:41] Brian Lang: lot of 11th House energy, which is more about being very appropriate. They would have been triggered and angry with people that were inappropriate, especially sexually. Like, it would have been the opposite.

[1:01:53] Michelle: It’s exactly what they were. It shows like they, they were so, so like, like read the voice of innocence. Look at what Emma did and look at what Joseph did. They were like, what is happening? You guys are the worst.

[1:02:07] Brian Lang: Speaking of which I do want to talk about a little bit of Joseph Smith’s chart. Ok.

[1:02:10] Michelle: Should I go to the next freedom? Ok.

[1:02:13] Brian Lang: This is the part we left out. Um, so when he, where he has his, like, like where you see this, his 11th and 12th house between that line, that’s between the 11th and 12th house, that’s where his 12th house starts. That’s where you, you get his, like, spiritual wiring, right? That’s how he is spiritually and it put it in Taurus, one of the slowest moving signs. So when he gets like a revelation, he’s the type to be more reflective of it. And so do you remember how in his account of the first vision that he’s talking about how he didn’t join any of the churches? And he’s really slow and sluggish. And that’s a part of his personality.

[1:02:52] Michelle: Very, very thoughtful and making sure he made. So he wouldn’t act till he was sure he was making, he

[1:02:59] Brian Lang: has this slowest moving energy when it comes to like spiritual enlightenment. In fact, one of so

[1:03:04] Michelle: interesting. So he wasn’t flighty at all when he had an impression it was set and he would believe it like,

[1:03:10] Brian Lang: ok, one quote, I’m going to paraphrase this because I probably don’t know it. Exactly. But one of my favorite quotes from Joseph is this is on the things of God are of deep and poor and only time and experience and careful and solemn and ponder’s thought can figure them out. Yeah, my mind, old man. Anyway, needless to say that he’s deep and slow in reflection of moving forward about spiritual matters until he’s really processed it slower. He has his slowest moving energy when it comes to spiritual insight.

[1:03:39] Michelle: That’s incredible because I think people would think it was the opposite because he was so spiritually inclined that they, they think. But, but what you’re saying is he’s also the most stable spirit like he would, he would be very slow to and, and, and that’s why like Lucy talks about as a boy, he was not given to doing what the other kids were doing because he was always thinking and, you know, pondering on the deep things. And so that shows how long he spent thinking about things before he received the first vision. And then, ok, that, that’s really cool. Thank you for sharing that. Ok,

[1:04:11] Brian Lang: so that I, I think that that makes AAA persona that’s like if, if they were gonna get spiritual insight into jumping into polygamy, it would be something slow and methodical and, and really planned out for a long time and really thought over. It’s not, it’s not something to make a quick decision. But like once again, he,

[1:04:32] Michelle: so this idea, even the idea that people use the William Marks quote, like, like they say, they use the William Marks, quote, quote to interpret it a certain way to say that Joseph was like, ok, I went with polygamy but now I see it’s wrong. So I’m coming back. So we’re so you’re saying that does not fit, he wouldn’t like dive into something, especially something that big headlong and then be like, oh just kidding. That wasn’t like he would think it through and be sure it was right before he would. OK. Yeah, you

[1:05:01] Brian Lang: all, we all get Taurus energy somewhere in our chart. He got it with spirituality. He got the slow moving energy with spirituality.

[1:05:08] Michelle: So I do. So I know people will push back. So I’m gonna be the devil’s advocate for a minute because he had revelations that would change. Like, for example, I’m thinking about Zion’s camp when he um when he wanted the, you know, he said like, like, like we’re going to go redeem Zion and I have my own understanding of this, but then while they were going to regime Zion, the the answer changed and it was that you aren’t going to redeem Zion, right? Or there’s the claim about that he he him sending people to Canada to get money or to get a oh, I’m gonna get this wrong. I just have so many things in my head. They’re not always right graspable, but there’s some other false revelation that’s controversial that some people anyway. So well, how would you respond to those claims that like his revelations would sometimes change?

[1:05:53] Brian Lang: I, I think that um this is if I have the biggest complaint about what we’ve talked about in the restoration, this is the most neglected topic to talk about because when we are talking about Joseph Smith, all of us are projecting.

[1:06:10] Michelle: Yes, that’s completely true.

[1:06:11] Brian Lang: And, and

[1:06:12] Michelle: we do that with everybody. We’ve

[1:06:14] Brian Lang: heard this, we’ve heard all these narratives from all these different angles. But one thing that I haven’t heard from people is a narrative from somebody that has prophetic insight that, that, that um is speaking about how spirituality works. And and does it from the perspective of having the same gifts as Joseph Smith and I feel like that’s what’s been truly, has been neglected, having somebody that has experienced what Joseph did project Joseph’s story and, and there are some deep things of spirituality and, and, and like, like a lot, a lot of the people that, that could probably pull this off and talk about the spiritual realms probably would not want to do it. It would not want to talk about those things openly. But the, and the people that are willing to probably have more manic leanings. I’m just going to be rude. I’m sorry. But there’s a lot of people that go to crazy Town when they get into spirituality, they’re not grounded, they’re not measured like Joseph and so it

[1:07:11] Michelle: could be dangerous. It can be, it can make people crazy. There’s a lot

[1:07:14] Brian Lang: of laws of heaven that people don’t understand when it comes to the subject. Like there’s a place in scripture where it’s talking about people’s reliance on the prophet and, and it says, ok, I will answer you according to your idols. And there’s like laws of heaven where not every angel is supposed to completely break all your paradigms. When they come to give you a message, you’re seeing it through your lens, you’re filtering your inner persona,

[1:07:40] Michelle: we see through a, through a glass darkly that is

[1:07:43] Brian Lang: going to continue. Like that was one of my points of doing the reading on Brigham is, is like he seriously got his revelation by the power of voters. Like he, he was like wired to want polygamy. He was wired to want polygamy. That’s quoting Taylor. He said I could quote him today since he couldn’t make it. Sorry.

[1:08:07] Michelle: Sorry. I know it did, but it was hilarious.

[1:08:10] Brian Lang: But my point is this, he has that embedded through his chart to want polygamy. And then he gets this download revelation. It’s a projection of him. And um uh I’m not gonna say the person’s name, but there’s like somebody in Mormonism that uh has claimed to have seen Jesus and, and, and claims to have channeled a couple of his messages. And what like makes me like a somewhat like in awe over is, is he has the opposite astrology as Jesus and like, he’ll have things coming through that will be very opposite to how j like, how, how he feels. And I’m like, oh, there’s something here like he’s speaking a voice that’s his opposite and he has like the opposite mindset. He thinks the opposite of Jesus. He’s the opposite personality, astrologically speaking. And then he’s like Jesus said this and I’m like, oh, that’s not, that actually sounds like Jesus is a voice like it, it’s one of those things. It’s like, whoa, that’s interesting. That’s impressive. But then anyways, so

[1:09:26] Michelle: it’s kind of, it’s kind of like with Brigham Young, his revelation, you can easily see how it came through him and from him, right? And you’re saying that someone else if someone’s saying a revelation that clearly did not come through them in front of them, you give it greater credibility, you would give

[1:09:42] Brian Lang: it more right? And on the flip on the flip and somebody asked me to give a reading to a celebrity once we’re talking a guy that has millions of views on youtube and they got me a private session with him and they wanted me to read him and he was telling me about how it is and he was, he’s been proclaiming his visions to the world and, and um making some huge claims and I’m like, he’s just everything he believes is in his natal. It’s what he wants and, and it’s just a full projection of what he wants. So, so what’s, that’s what’s fun about being an astrologer is, is you can start to see what’s somebody’s personality or if they’re actually getting insight, that’s not theirs, right? So, because

[1:10:22] Michelle: we have our OK, go ahead, we have our, yeah, there’s

[1:10:25] Brian Lang: so much deep things of spirituality. So, so for example, like Joseph Smith in the book of War, when he’s translating it, and you’re required first to seek on the earth, certain things. It’s, it’s a, it’s a heavenly law. And if something is somewhat intact on the earth, God’s not gonna channel it to heaven, he’s gonna just, just take what’s there on the earth. And if he decides he wants to change a little something that’s important, he can add a little bit. But, but for the most part, like, I’m pretty sure that Joseph Smith was probably told to copy a lot of the book of Isaiah when he did the book of Mormon, because it’s a heavenly law, he would have been required to do it. And so when people get talking about these things, they don’t understand heavenly laws because it’s a heavenly law um seeking you shall find not and it shall be open to you. So he’s Joseph is walking through um how he’s fulfilled the laws of God to unlock the heavenly experience. So this is why I did an episode on my channel called um what’s the difference between a psychic and a prophet? Yeah. Yeah.

[1:11:25] Michelle: Yeah. Yeah. That was

[1:11:26] Brian Lang: cool because these are different chalk, we’re obtaining things from. You can have just natural intuition. That’s not God. That’s just a Godly gift and you can pick up on something. So,

[1:11:36] Michelle: so you can be a little bit more psychic like you can be a little bit more coordinate or a bit more.

[1:11:41] Brian Lang: So there are a few people that have gifts that could be somebody’s are and see that they’re lying. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I see that, I see where this is coming from. That’s not God they’re speaking for, you know what I mean? And that may just be a natural

[1:11:54] Michelle: gift because they could do good or evil with it. It could be like it’s not going to go away based on their life choices. So some

[1:12:00] Brian Lang: people have those natural things of spirituality. And Joseph had some of those gifts too. You could sometimes just look and see. And according to some people, he tracked down a horse that was across the Canadian border. I

[1:12:12] Michelle: will say he didn’t have them in the context of judging people. He, he was very, he was very much blocked into seeing the intent of people, which proved to be kind of his downfall. And he says that in the scriptures, even that God is not giving him that something. That’s

[1:12:27] Brian Lang: OK. Yeah, I wouldn’t say I wouldn’t say that about Emma though.

[1:12:30] Michelle: Ok. You

[1:12:33] Brian Lang: say you can say that about Joseph, but you can’t say that about Emma. I’m gonna stick up for Emma

[1:12:38] Michelle: here. OK? OK. Well, and I’m not saying it to criticize Joseph. I think it actually, it helps us understand his life because one of the things that people use to accuse him and saying, oh, look who he surrounded himself with, like he had all of these polygamists around him. And, but the book of M and the doctrine of covenants makes it clear that that was not his gift.

[1:12:57] Brian Lang: This is the other thing. You get somebody super, super busy. You have all these people harassing you, you get to where you, you’re getting acted upon and, and, and, and it can take away that energy. You have to be more of, in a relaxed place to, like, sense

[1:13:11] Michelle: things. Yeah. And I also know so, so in some ways I don’t want to, you know, but in some ways I relate, I project on Joseph Smith too. Right. I relate my experience to him and when you are doing something and you’re busy and someone comes and offers to help or someone wants to be involved, it’s really hard to be like, um, oh, I’m first gonna make sure I can fully trust you before I accept your help before I send you on a mission before I do. You know what I mean? Like what he was trying to do was so immense that it was like whoever is called, whoever has a desire is called to the work, right? And so I don’t think he was like barring people from coming in who, who looked like they would be helpful.

[1:13:49] Brian Lang: Well, let me be a brat here. Um You and Joseph both share some strong Aquarius placements. So if somebody’s going to project for Joseph, you’re gonna naturally actually be closer to how we

[1:13:58] Michelle: thought. Ok. You said you’d be a brat. How are you being a, I

[1:14:01] Brian Lang: mean, like, like, like certain people are gonna project something closer if you have a similar personality and similar, similar desires. Yeah, your projection is gonna be a lot closer.

[1:14:11] Michelle: OK. So I will trust my project, my answer about Zions camp, right? Because I have my experience of Zion’s camp that, that um I kind of liked how you said, like when there are people who I have spiritual experiences and kind of um adept at, I have learned how the Lord works with them. It gives you more understanding to other people like that. Right? And so when I look at science camp, I’m like, oh, that’s what was happening. I totally get it because I’ve experienced something similar. Right? Does that?

[1:14:40] Brian Lang: Yes. But so to complete that thought God may give a portion of knowledge at one point and then later correct it when they qualify for the same.

[1:14:48] Michelle: And there’s also different levels of if you’re able to do this, it will be this answer. If it’s like there were three kingdoms in that Science Camp prophecy right there. If you get this many, then you go. If you get this many, you go. If you only get this many, you still go. But it’s like, oh, they got Plan C, there was plan A available, plan B available and plan C available. Does that make sense? And also the Lord does like Elder Holland even talked about this, the Lord gives you an answer and you go down a path and then you learn who that was wrong because you had to have that palpable knowledge of how that wasn’t right. Like I think Joseph has had all of those kinds of experiences because I think we have all of those kinds of experiences and it’s part of our training. It doesn’t show that we’re um that, that we’re incapable of knowing the voice of the Lord. It shows the Lord working with us to give us better and better discernment and understanding, right? So that when, so you’re more prepared to go forward with the answers anyway. I think, I think those are like, like it doesn’t. II, I, yes, I was posing the devil’s advocate question of how, which is Joseph slow moving spiritually when sometimes he changed his mind on things. But I, but I, but I really was like, oh, it totally makes sense to

[1:15:53] Brian Lang: me. They were all in our awakenings as we’re learning from the spiritual realms. Like you’re going to learn and evolve and how you see things over time, you

[1:16:02] Michelle: know. Yeah. Yeah. And you have to, well, just like he gave away the manuscript, the 116 manuscript pages, right? That was an essential learning opportunity for him that the Lord already had planned for because I already knew that was part of his training, right? And so anyway, I think that that those kinds of experiences, we don’t look at them to dismiss him. We should look at them to go. What do I need to learn from the

[1:16:27] Brian Lang: Cinderella story? Yes. OK. How many times did Joseph ask

[1:16:31] Michelle: three times

[1:16:33] Brian Lang: three, the third character in the Hebrew original Hieroglyph is the foot you put under foot when, when you go three times and don’t accept that answer.

[1:16:44] Michelle: Ok. That’s really interesting. Ok. So that’s why there’s always three in like three knocks to heaven three times. The voice, like three is the ascension number and the dissension number like three times you ask God, there are always three fairies or three wishes or three. Do you know what I mean? Like three always comes in in these kinds of, um, what, whatever it might be. Three is like the magic number. There’s a song three is magic number. What is that schoolhouse rock? Anyway? So, OK. So is there anything else you want to go on to here? Should we talk quickly about? Oh, yeah, you,

[1:17:17] Brian Lang: we can move on that, that one kind of completed what I wanted to share about Joseph. Hey,

[1:17:21] Michelle: this was awesome. I loved it. I think for me, the highlight was actually well, like I loved in the last episode. I hope people watch kind of the comparison between Brigham and Joseph that was profound. And this one, the understanding, the depth into the relationship between Emma and Joseph was profound to me. II I loved that. So I hope you guys did as well. So, so do you want to have anything else, do you want to like, give us a couple of insights um into the eclipse? What people should be thinking about? Is there or is there anything else you want to

[1:17:49] Brian Lang: share? I got, I got a couple of videos on them, on my, on my channel, on, on our channel and, and I’m just going

[1:17:56] Michelle: to interrupt you. I’m sorry, I’m trying not to interrupt. I know, I know people who tell me I interrupt too much. I’m working on it but, but I am going to interrupt you anyway because I do want to say I have really appreciated Brian sent me his videos on the eclipse and I really appreciated that because I think there are a lot of people saying a lot of things about the eclipse that are kind of like everywhere and I really love your channels. Um um sort of rational approach and very non dramatic and also very well defended, well reasoned and not fear based, you know, like you’re just like, here’s how we should look at it, but here’s why I disagree with some of these things and here’s some more evidence about it. So anyway, I highly recommend them because I think it’s really easy to get like, oh, there’s an eclipse and it’s Salem and it’s the, and it’s the, I’m like, what’s gonna happen, you know, like that goes on a lot and then it seems like something passes and no one pays attention to it. I think, I think it’s better to approach it the way you guys are. I don’t mean to be minimizing. I’m sorry if you think that about the eclipse. OK. Exciting. We’ll see

[1:19:00] Brian Lang: there’s a, there’s a magnetism to getting hyped. Up like that and, and I think that’s why we have just a steady growth on our channel is because we don’t get all like wild

[1:19:09] Michelle: like that. Your astrology is in Taurus. It’s slow moving and thought and not like everywhere

[1:19:16] Brian Lang: I do want to be accurate with it. I want people to kind of learn this stuff on their own and be self sufficient on their own. I don’t want to be needed. Somebody asks me how to do something. I want to send them a video and not be doing readings for people all the time. I see.

[1:19:29] Michelle: I love that. I correct principles and they govern themselves, right? It’s kind of that energy. So we

[1:19:35] Brian Lang: have that energy.

[1:19:36] Michelle: I love it. So now you can go now I want to so

[1:19:41] Brian Lang: some things to understand about the clips. Let’s talk at the very like core of it. Um It’s the idea of the sun getting covered by the moon. If we’re gonna look at that, its core symbolism and the sun is a symbol of God. It’s a symbol of God’s light. God’s

[1:19:56] Michelle: power. Can I, can I throw something in here and you can tell me if I’m completely off and I am interrupting again. I do want you to keep going. But what I’m hearing in part is the feminine covering up the masculine

[1:20:11] Brian Lang: that can be like an interpretation and some people will, especially in our movements will instantly make the moon, the divine mother covering up the sun and they make it about heavenly mother being angry. 00, I mean, the heavenly mother’s angry at us,

[1:20:30] Michelle: I guess I’m hoping that the feminine maybe is coming forward more like bringing a little more balance to the force, you know, like not covering it up permanently. But it’s kind of like, hey, the feminine is being there’s another, ok. So I’ll let you go, but

[1:20:46] Brian Lang: I can come back, I’ll circle back around to that. But I try not to like draw the picture of making heavenly mother angry grandma all the time.

[1:20:57] Michelle: So,

[1:20:58] Brian Lang: so a scriptural like a biblical like um

[1:21:03] Michelle: well, then it would make her angry at the like it would make the feminine divine, angry at the masculine divine, which is just

[1:21:09] Brian Lang: one. And I try to, I try to take more of the philosophy of putting it more on us more. What did we do? Right? And what is this telling us? What are we, what is this telling us? And the idea that like when you think of like the divine mother, another allegory that’s used in scripture is, is um the moon being the bride of Christ. So it’s the idea of a covenant body covering in the light of the sun. It’s actually a bad omen showing that like those who claim to be God’s covenant people have covered up the light of God. Oh And so I put more of the responsibility on us in that way, generally when I interpret and

[1:21:53] Michelle: can it be both to where? Because I love what you’re saying about like the church has covered God has covered, which is all throughout the Scriptures, right? You have, you have taken my name upon you without doing my works, right? Like, so that’s absolutely there. But I also feel like part of the way that we’ve done that is by having the masculine cover, the feminine for so long, like the like the feminine has been invisible. So kind of having the feminine be like, hey, I’m here, I’m being seen. It’s kind of like I I’m making, I mean, you could tell me if I’m completely off base, but it’s almost like the way that we have covered God is also being revealed to us that we have in part dismissed the feminine and, and it’s kind of like the divine feminine saying this needs to be

[1:22:39] Brian Lang: brought focused on and

[1:22:41] Michelle: speaking of making, making herself seen like if I have to cover up the sun to make you see me, I will do it, gosh, darn it like, you

[1:22:50] Brian Lang: know, like that and some of the transition of this age is showing that too. Um We have an episode that’s gonna come out soon that I was telling you about, that’s going to talk about the wrongs of polygamy and showing how bad interpretations without the use of um astrological knowledge. Um has led people to interpret scriptures about polygamy into polygamy or into the diminishment of women.

[1:23:14] Michelle: And it’s amazing where Christianity feels like astrology is so dangerous. But what’s really dangerous is interpreting scripture incorrectly and astrology can help us avoid

[1:23:25] Brian Lang: that. Yeah. And having an astrological knowledge would bring, show you that my biggest takeaway from astrology is that the sky is laid out in perfect balance. It has the wife balanced with the husband, the mother balanced with the father. And so so when you look at those things and a ruler, you shall thou shalt rule over her. Um or the, the man ruling over the ruling means going first in

[1:23:50] Michelle: Australia. Oh, interesting.

[1:23:53] Brian Lang: Like it means that you’re the one that’s the initiator, you take the first slot and then later on another sign is given with an equal portion, an equal inheritance. Oh That’s really interesting. They hold an equal portion of the sky and they hold it in balance together.

[1:24:05] Michelle: That’s so cool. And I’m gonna throw something in here that might be way off base if I make anyone uncomfortable, I apologize and, and we’ll get back to your stuff. But when you said that about going first. So when I went to the Salt Lake Temple before it was renovated, it was my first time going to the Salt Lake Temple because I’ve never been in that zone. You know. So I went and it was brought to my attention that there was kind of, there’s kind of two different places where you sit. And so there’s a smaller place and then the bigger place where the people sit and it’s usually, I think the men on the right and the women on the left, but in this little small place, the women were on the right and the men were on the left and then it switched behind and, and it was really brought to my attention and I was like, God, what’s that about? Like, why is it different here? And the thought that came right to my mind is the last, shall be first and the first shall be last. And, and, and I it was hard for me to like believe, but I kind of was like, oh, does that mean somehow in the previous life, the fe feminine was first not meaning higher or better, you know, but somehow and then in this realm, the male is first and the, and the feminine comes to support or, or do you know what I mean comes in anyway? It was an interesting thought that it’s like, oh, the last shall be first and the first shall laugh may have in my mind, possibly eternal con connotations for also the, the masculine and the feminine, which I think is an interesting thought to play with. And so when you say that the males, males should rule and that means the male comes first and on this earth, that’s the state of this earth after the fall. That’s really interesting. And that maybe our goal in elevating this earth like we’re supposed to do to para psychical glory to meet the city of Enoch. Maybe it’s like, not supposed to be the feminine first or the masculine first, but it’s supposed to be the perfect, like, maybe that’s kind of the, what did you call it, the karmic lesson for us on this life and to like, bring them into

[1:25:56] Brian Lang: balance. And this kind of fits a lot with what’s going on with our zodiacal ages right now. And because so right now we’re in the age of Pisces, right? And Pisces is the fish. We’re the one sending to the throne of God and the other one is caught in the net. So we, and we transition into this age, right? When Jesus was making his ascent into heaven. And so it’s about the idea of freeing the captives. And Pisces has some slavery themes and um because you have one getting caught in the net and how this age is supposed to come into its fulfillment is, is we’re supposed to bring freedom and equality to, to um to the captives. And so you’ve seen like in the last few 100 years during this age of p you’ve seen the freeing of the slaves, you’ve seen the world become more free and more equal. And Aquarius that where we’re going into is about proper social constructs. It’s about the little guy. It’s about the, the, where the ruling class elite isn’t in control anymore. But the, the little people have a voice and in this transition, we’ve had the internet and we’ve seen regular people have a voice. You have a voice. You don’t, you’re not wearing a king’s queen’s crown. You, you weren’t born to royalty that I know

[1:27:11] Michelle: of. And I’m not hired by one of the big affiliates given a channel.

[1:27:15] Brian Lang: Now, you have tens of thousands of people watching your stuff and you have a voice and you, and you come and this is the transition of this age is where the people that were at the bottom. Now have a say, they, they get to show videos of where the news was lying about something and they can show actual footage from the camera. This is what this is, it’s about the turning things back into equality because you, you’re bring, you’re freeing the captives and bringing culmination to that age of Pisces. But then you’re bringing this equality where um the tables are turned on, who rules

[1:27:48] Michelle: the world. OK. That’s so cool,

[1:27:51] Brian Lang: peaceful millennial

[1:27:52] Michelle: age. So OK, so what I’m hearing and maybe I’m getting some of this from your video. So you can tell me if that’s what you’re saying with Pisces. It feels to me like this is an automatic that this is a choice that we have like, like which like we can either ascend or we can descend back into captivity based on our interaction with this age.

[1:28:14] Brian Lang: Yes. And let me insert one thing there. Pisces also rolls over illusions. We’ve had all these illusions, the media, putting illusions all over us and where we’ve been put into captivity where the oftentimes have played the archetype of the lower fish in the net that’s getting bound. And it’s about when we end this age, we’re supposed to see clearly. We’re supposed to see it differently.

[1:28:33] Michelle: OK. So, OK, so, so from your message, the um the, so I, I love everything you just shared. I’m trying to like incorporate it all the eclipse though is sending us a message. It

[1:28:47] Brian Lang: is a message so I can go into more of that if you want.

[1:28:49] Michelle: Ok. Yeah. Well, why don’t you go ahead and share some of your thoughts about as we go into this new age, we’re being given a

[1:28:55] Brian Lang: message. So I’m not going to target any like specific church or anything but the, the clips crosses it crosses across the United States. And so I think it’s a message to the United States. Um And, and we, and I think as, as people that have a Mormon background, we could agree that the United States is a covenant nation. And so um I’m gonna have to be very careful how I say this because I don’t want to get pinged on your program. But um the first eclipse happened in the constellation Virgo that rules over the medical profession the last one happens um like it crosses um in the constellation areas which rolls over the first half. So it has to do with the body. And then if you look at the intersection of time, what was getting introduced, we can let people in the comments answer that because we probably can’t, we’ll

[1:29:43] Michelle: give a few clues, safe and effective, do your part.

[1:29:47] Brian Lang: And so, so yeah, like right when it was getting released is right at the intersection of time when the eclipse is cross and, and the meanings of those constellations, meaning we’ve turned to that instead of God, instead of the light of God for power and healing, we’ve turned to something else.

[1:30:05] Michelle: Um So, OK, do you have more to, should I share some of my thoughts or you go, you keep going. That’s

[1:30:11] Brian Lang: that part of the sign I have more to say on the, there’s a lot more things happening in the sky. I don’t know if you want me getting into it because they’re a little bit on the scarier end. Some, not on the scary end, but, well,

[1:30:21] Michelle: no, I think we should get into it. That’s really interesting. And it goes right along with so many of my thoughts and my experiences during that time because I felt like I was put in specific situations to see it in a completely um differently. And the Lord gave me a lot of insight into what was happening at that time. So I’ll share that a different time, you keep going on. But I just want to be like a second witness to what you’re talking about. That was, that was, that was actually a huge occurrence in America. And that revealed where we put our faith, where we put our trust, who we look to, to be included to be right in, in other words, what we worship at the half. So I can’t remember. OK, that’s OK. That’s amazing. Said yes, she’s here with us but that it ruled out. It was exactly the same point at the halfway point. December 14th. So people can look into that more, but it was a profound symbol. OK. Incredible. OK.

[1:31:18] Brian Lang: Um Other things to, to maybe know, I think we should be looking at the earlier sign that, that it intersects with um because I think that when you examine that and you unpack that like you can look at history, what, what was happening when the first one happened and um people make the claim, oh, it shadowed over um seven cities named Salem. Salem means it’s Shalom and Hebrew means peace. Um OK, fair. Um did was peace taken from the land? That’s when Donald Trump was in office. Our nation was like nuts with each other. I’m not into politics but I was a witness to like both sides going nuts on each

[1:31:58] Michelle: other. Peace has in many ways. But I mean, we had the riots, we had that like the most II I the way I described it was like all of the divisive forces of hell were unleashed into our communities because it was everything. It was the the shutdowns, the response to those. Do you wear the face covering? Do you not wear the face covering? Because you know, and then the riots like it was, it was everything was like, are you on our team or are you the enemy? Everything was like that. Ok.

[1:32:27] Brian Lang: Another thing that happened was is you had four days after that 2017 eclipse, you have tornadoes, hurricanes start pounding the coast. Ok. And we go into that in our channel a little

[1:32:40] Michelle: bit deeper. Ok? Ok. And

[1:32:42] Brian Lang: like you had places like Puerto Rico that got shut down didn’t have utilities, didn’t have power and all that. It got really bad. It was the end of the world for some

[1:32:52] Michelle: places, right? It was cataclysmic like the catastrophic

[1:32:57] Brian Lang: but keep in mind the markings going across, it’s like a warning for the United States. It doesn’t mean that something has to happen in an exact spot where the shadow

[1:33:05] Michelle: was. I guess we’re always living in, in, we’re always by the grace of God. We have like, like there can be a natural, natural disaster anytime, anywhere for any reason or an invasion or? Right. So, ok, so are there more things you want to share about it? There

[1:33:20] Brian Lang: is there is people are, it’s kind of more debated people are saying, oh, it’s shadows over seven cities. No, it wasn’t as precise as the sale on, if we’re going to be honest with it. And there’s arguably an eighth one. If you go into Canada, a lot of them are partials. A lot of, more in unincorporated towns. It’s like, uh, maybe I like the idea of nine because Nineveh repented. And so if I could share a message it would be that, hey, this is a wake up sign. Yeah. Well,

[1:33:50] Michelle: it’s kind of like maybe maybe there’s repentance. It’s not as, do you know what I mean? Like, that’s kind of interesting because you said, well, maybe like, it’s not as precise, we can’t really take repentance from it. But that’s kind of like, well, maybe our nation will repent. Maybe that’d be cool. That would be, are we hopeful

[1:34:07] Brian Lang: about it? I’d like to encourage it, serve us in the program, encourage you, you need to repent and you do that by um acknowledging that polygamy was wrong

[1:34:17] Michelle: or just I think in general, in general, acknowledging that we don’t know everything and that we might be off on some things and at least just in accepting the humility to at least consider asking questions you wouldn’t have considered asking before, right? Like the, like the first part of repentance is letting go of our pride and embracing humility and asking Lord, what do I need to repent of? Right. That would be a good first question.

[1:34:44] Brian Lang: Yeah. Um, I like that. Um, a couple of things to consider with the sign would maybe give some more credibility to the idea of Nineveh and Jonah because people made, it said that there’s a town named Jonah that gets shadowed over to. Maybe, I haven’t looked into that one. Tons. But what is verifiable is, um, where it happens where the sun and the moon eclipse each other in the sky. It’s when you divide the sky into equal inheritances, it’s in a but it looks like it’s in Pisces because of professional slippage because our, our sky slips over time, which is we have videos on it trying to explain that. So um we go into that more detail with graphics, but we don’t have time for that here now. But if you go directly below where the, the eclipse is happening, um cus the well is aligned with it. The, well, the constellation of the well and think of Jonah and the

[1:35:38] Michelle: well, oh no, oh, not the, well, the whale that well,

[1:35:43] Brian Lang: that well. So there, there it is in line with the consolation, the sign of Jonah,

[1:35:48] Michelle: which could also, ok. So that could be like being swallowed up to the bottom of the ocean for three days, whatever that means for three periods as a nation potentially, if, if we don’t repent.

[1:35:59] Brian Lang: Yes, certainly. The idea of I’m not gonna say how things would happen because I don’t know Um but certainly all these symbols symbol, all the symbolism of the story are worth exploring

[1:36:11] Michelle: so worth looking at. So if you, if I were to say, what do we, what can we take from this? What if God is if, if the skies are sending us a message, what would that message be? It sounds to me like what you’re kind of telling us is we are giving, being given an invitation to repent.

[1:36:32] Brian Lang: Yes. Um I would, that’s if that’s how I feel. Um There is one other omen that we probably should unpack and talk about in the sky because it very much relates to the Book of Revelation. But the Book of Revelation talks about an angel in the sky pouring a vial times seven,

[1:36:49] Michelle: right? OK. OK. Yeah.

[1:36:51] Brian Lang: And that talks about it’s a reference destruction and, but it’s also a reference to the age of Aquarius which we’re entering where the, where the procession is moving into Aquarius. Um One thing to unpack with that is seven is Saturn. OK. And if you look up at the sky at the exact moment of the eclipse, you have the the the angel with its vial, Aquarius pouring out its vial in the earth and right in the vial is not only Saturn which is seven, but it’s Mars, the two planets

[1:37:25] Michelle: of destruction and Mars is war and

[1:37:27] Brian Lang: Saturn is like the destroying angel like the black planet, the black sun.

[1:37:32] Michelle: Oh my goodness. Well, that’s not cheerful. Ok. So. Ok. Ok. But you know what? But it’s cool. Like, it’s cool. I know. It’s ok. All right.

[1:37:43] Brian Lang: So unpacking that, let’s try to be like, like, give two possibilities on what that can mean together. You could look at it in a way. They’re, they’re just magnified. There’s, it has two things loaded up in the stream and you could look at it as like, oh, you’re all gonna

[1:38:02] Michelle: die. Something’s being poured out.

[1:38:05] Brian Lang: Saturn can be known to negate though Saturn could be known to negate Mars.

[1:38:10] Michelle: OK. So, so it could be also the Lord saying if I did not shorten the time, none of the nobody would be spared. But I’m going to, I’m going to minimize the horror so that the righteous can be spared.

[1:38:22] Brian Lang: So in a way of reading the stars, it could flip and go completely crazy, but it could also negate, they could negate each.

[1:38:28] Michelle: OK? And I’m gonna just venture a guess that I think that maybe there is duality in the science because there is duality in the outcome based on our responses, right? Is it possible that if we repent, that Saturn could be minimizing the um the, the Mars being poured out. And if we fail to repent that Saturn could be maximizing the it could be adding to the destruction being poured out. Does that make sense? Like I do, I do, maybe we have some influence on which way that plays out for us.

[1:39:00] Brian Lang: And I, and I tried to, like, that’s how I’ve tried to take the story. When, when we talk about it on our channel, we try to, like, lay out the symbolism and unpack the symbolism and lay it out into a way of like, if it’s bringing up the Jonahs story to Nineveh, they repented. Does it not give us that omen that like, hey, we can change our course. And, and what if, what if the earth is like a living being? And it’s, if it has an earthquake, it’s more of like a horse shaking off a fly. That’s being a

[1:39:31] Michelle: nuisance. That’s how the scriptures make it sound like the earth cries out and then, yeah.

[1:39:37] Brian Lang: OK. So what, what if like where we’re being a pest get swatted? Interesting and what if like the rest of the body, oh, it wasn’t acting up over here on this part of the body? I didn’t need to do

[1:39:48] Michelle: anything. That’s, that’s so the one thing I do want to say as we’re talking about this is like the central scripture I think we should all live by. For God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind and the mantra I have come to just live my life by as everything God does is good, right? And so the the the I guess one of the ways that we can repent is to not live in fear and to not think what do I need to do? So I don’t have to suffer during this time. But instead to just be like, ok, God, how do you want to use me? Right. And, and if I’m in a war torn nation, how do you want to use me? And if I’m in this situation, how do you want to use me? And recognizing that Jonah being swallowed by the whale was one of the best things that ever happened to Jonah, right? And, and even Joseph in um liberty jail and the Lord said all these things shall get the experience for thy good, right? So everything God does is good. So instead of fearing and trying to get a get out of what the stars are telling us or get out of what God is doing. I think it’s so much better to just, just fully submit. Like like I’ve said before, I think that true suffering comes from fighting against what God is doing in our lives. Like while I was struggling in a really painful time, I I was just kind of the the the the impression I had or the understanding I gained was that it was when Jesus was saying, was saying God, if it’s possible to take this cup from me, that that is when he bled from every port, that is when he was suffering. When he was saying, I don’t want this to be the reality, right? But as soon as Jesus said, nevertheless, not my will but thine when he was strength, when he was truly able to give his will over to God, then he was empowered and he was able to go through what turned out to be one of the most important experiences of his life, right? And so I think that that is the case for each of us, the way to for certain, increase the suffering and make this way more horrible is to say, I don’t want it, I don’t want it. I don’t want it and fight against it and try to run away Jonah, right? Instead we can just get down on our knees and say God, I trust you teach me how you want to use me in this time instead of saying God, how do I avoid this time, right? Anyway, that’s my plea to all of us because I think that that’s, that’s what we really are here for. And that’s what we, I think that that’s what God gives us these experiences for is to help us get to this point. So if we can get to this point, now, we might experience all the same things, but we don’t have to suffer the same way. And that’s, that’s profound because when, when we’re not suffering the same way God can use us more,

[1:42:26] Brian Lang: doesn’t the scripture say something about being free to act and to not be acted

[1:42:30] Michelle: upon Yeah. Oh, good, good. I like it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s, we can release ourselves from being acted upon by this and instead just submit to it and say, ok, God, you’ve got this. Everything’s good. I trust you use me.

[1:42:47] Brian Lang: Yeah. I think holy men like we’ve talked about and women, you can add em in there. Um, I think they sometimes suffer for other people. Like Jesus suffers for other people. But I think a lot of our suffering, we treat each other negatively and inflict a lot of it on our own.

[1:43:05] Michelle: And a lot of that does come from fear and from us trying to run away from reality as well. So that’s another thing when we are in that energy of fear and trying to get, we’re going to make things worse for other people as well as ourselves because we’re going to, we’re going to fight, we’re going to write, we, if our focus is on self preservation that puts other people kind of potentially as our enemies rather than, rather than just full submission and then God can use us because we’re not trying to save ourselves. Right. Right. Ok. OK. Is there anything else that we, that we do? We do, we get it all out on the table that well, we’ll put, we will link below to um, your videos if people want more. They’ve got a great channel that’s growing and that you can go and check out their great videos. Yeah, most

[1:43:53] Brian Lang: of them have fun graphics and we try to make it to where you’re not just hearing but seeing something. So, is

[1:43:58] Michelle: that aimed at me? No, I’m totally kidding. Anyway, I am so ok. I hope you guys enjoyed this. They’re so, this was really awesome. I know a lot of people are gonna want to watch the videos that teach you how to do your own natal charts and that can, you know, like, like I said, he said, they’re giving us fish, not just they’re giving, they’re teaching us how to fish, not just giving us fish and messing

[1:44:21] Brian Lang: up. We have educational videos. You learn how to do it on your own and then in the comments, if you have questions where if you didn’t get something, we’re happy to answer comments and answer questions

[1:44:31] Michelle: and perfect. OK, this was awesome. Thank you, Brian. I really appreciate it and thank you for joining us and we will see you on Sunday.