Brian Lang and Taylor Child give me a crash course in astro-theology. It is amazing to see how truly all things testify of Christ, and how Christ testifies of all creation. This was such a fun and mind blowing discussion. I am excited to learn more.
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[00:00] Michelle: Merry Christmas and welcome to 132 problems revisiting Mormon polygamy. I hope you are having a beautiful holiday season. I am so excited to bring you this special holiday episode. I had the great privilege. It was such a treat to sit down with Taylor Child and Brian Lang to talk about the signs in the heavens, which I thought was a perfectly fitting topic for this Christmas episode. So they are going to tell us what they understand about astro theology and I know that might scare some people off. We talk about it a lot in the episode, but I have to say having this conversation has given me an, an entire new depth of appreciation for the creation of God and for the Majesty of Jesus Christ to see how it is literally written in the stars and how all creation points to these truths was a real, was just profound for me. So I am so excited to share this information with you. I really like these guys. I really liked talking to them. It was just so much fun and so I don’t know, just like epiphany after epiphany and Tingles and just beautiful artwork. Everything about. This was really a uh just a gift for me. So this is our Christmas gift to you. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. And I want to again thank Brian and Taylor for putting this together for us and sharing the work that they are doing. I really appreciated it and I hope that you will too. Merry Christmas. OK. Merry Christmas, everybody. I am so excited to be here for our Christmas episode with my new friends Taylor and Brian, who I actually am just meeting for the first time right now. So I, and I’m gonna let them go ahead and introduce themselves and then we will tell you what we’re here to talk about. So, Brian, would you mind letting us know a little bit about who you are and why you’re here?
[02:10] Brian: Yeah. Well, we were gonna introduce each other. Yeah, I, I’ll go ahead and
[02:13] Michelle: introduce Brian. Perfect. Ok. So,
[02:16] Taylor: since we’re on a, uh on a polygamy themed podcast, I thought I’d introduce him as the husband of one and father to believe it’s 1111. And uh
[02:31] Michelle: I mean, that’s like, yeah, I feel you. Ok.
[02:36] Taylor: Some of the only people I know who can, who can tell me that five is a good start. So, uh yeah, Brian has studied uh Astro Theology a great deal and has introduced the topic to uh a lot of people. He’s, he’s written a book on the subject that will just briefly plug on the uh on the slides we’ve prepared and you can find it on Amazon. It’s called the Ancient Cosmic Language. Um My praise and criticism of his book is that it’s like reading the first page of about 25 other books. Every page feels like the first page of a whole other book. And just as it gets going, it moves on. And so it gives you a lot of jumping off points and starting points with which to, uh, take your own studies in the direction that you feel most appropriate and where you feel led and guided to, uh to pursue further. So Brian
[03:29] Michelle: Fabulous, we will link the book below and it sounds to me like it’s a great introduction for all of those who are like me and are like, I have no idea what this all is, but I’m really interested in learning about it. Ok?
[03:41] Taylor: And that’s exactly how I would describe it. It’s an introduction and a starting point and, you know, you might open up a page and say, and then go and study for hours and hours on just, you know, other things that you find as a consequence of that page.
[03:54] Brian: Now, we’d like to introduce the rest of our team. OK, Taylor is like one of the ones that talked, talked me into starting this channel. It was I I’m blaming him for us starting our channel. The ancient cosmic clock. Um
[04:07] Michelle: OK. So I didn’t even know this. So you guys, you, this is your youtube channel, the ancient cosmic clock and you sent me a couple of videos. OK. All right.
[04:15] Brian: And that’s our, our team and Taylor is one of the ones that helped instigate this and I, we were talking about it. I thought we were joking and, and Taylor’s like, no, we’re doing this and I’m like, OK, so Taylor is to blame Taylor has uh is one of the most like high IQ people. I know um father of uh a good father, which he puts family
[04:45] Taylor: so far
[04:48] Michelle: so far. Yeah, it’s about intention. Yeah. Good. OK.
[04:52] Brian: And just like a prodigy in this type of science. Um He’s kind of a freak when it comes to what we’ll be talking about like the mathematics of the stars and he can like, rattle off all this should be in this position at this time and it just like he has a processor in his brain like no other. So anyways, that’s Taylor. I, I do want to talk about the other one. is the one above me with the wild hair. The recreation. That’s my wife. She voices a lot of the videos. Um She’s probably the most common voice on there. Gorgeous voice, gorgeous soul. And, and another thing about her, she does a lot, a lot of rearranging and editing and, and making sure it comes out and is said just right. Um Really good at, she’s really good at getting the message across to the people that are kind of new to these concepts. Um in the middle is Doctor Brian Zang. He also helped on the book was a big part there of that and he helps us with like research and, and fetching documents and what we can show legally and really helps us there. And then um unfortunately, uh Angela, the redhead, she was, has been out of the country or she would have been on here with us. Um She is an astro theologist of like a decade, the best among us superstar on the channel. She knows her stuff and she’s, she’s been doing astro theology longer than I have. So, anyways, um we’re really grateful to have her on the team too.
[06:20] Michelle: Ok. That is awesome. So that’s the team. So I’m gonna take this off just for a minute so we can talk a little bit and then tell me when to add it back on. So, ok, so I want to tell kind of why we’re having this for our Christmas episode. And how like, so I, um someone started posting to me and maybe it was Angela kind of talking to me about Joseph’s polygamy, um Astrological. Right. Right. Yes. So, um I very much have come to believe that Joseph absolutely was not. But anyway, I was like, ok, what is this you’re talking about? And then Brian reached out to me and we started kind of talking about it and I have been intrigued by the idea. I’m glad to have the term astro theology. That’s, that’s you guys are introducing me to that term, I think, which basically means signs in the heavens. Right? Isn’t that pretty much what we’re talking about? Ok. Ok. And so I guess so, I don’t want anyone to freak out and be like, oh, you’re gonna tell me my sign and, and get into astrology, you know? Right. Right. But my feeling is it’s Christmas and the wise men follow the star, like right there, let’s just encapsulate right there that it is biblically not only ok and acceptable and nothing to be afraid of, to consider signs in the heavens, but it’s actually exemplified and in many ways mandated, it seems to me that the Lord has told us to, to know the signs and to study the signs.
[07:48] Taylor: Right. You’re exactly right. And I, I would go further and say that the stars and their positions and their alignments and all of that was placed there at the beginning of creation by the Lord and is beyond man’s ability to control, corrupt, destroy, alter. Like it’s just there, we can, we can, you know, build big fires and big lights and make it so we can’t really see the stars so much in the cities where we live, but they’re still there. You like, it’s beyond man’s ability to change. So it’s something that has been in place in the sky for, since the beginning of creation, since, you know, I’ve got a slide show in a few minutes where we talk about a few of the scriptures that, that describe this.
[08:32] Michelle: OK. OK. Great. So, yeah, if I jump ahead into anything that’s in your slide show, let me know and we’ll, we’ll save it. I wanted to just give people a framework. So what you guys do is my understanding is you really are dedicated to studying what, what the history is that we’ve been handed down throughout. Who knows how many eons of time of how people made um made meaning in the stars found meaning, right? So I think you are working with a rich heritage of what’s been handed down and I guess the trick is trying to sort through what is true and what is sort of mythological or cult like other ideas that have. You know, because, because we get such crazy ideas throughout mankind. But also I love what you said that the stars are, they have a permanence that very few other things have. And um you know, so, so it’s hard to really mess it up. So am I getting that right? Like,
[09:26] Taylor: like we can forget, we can ignore, but we can’t change it. We can’t damage it. I’ve got a friend who describes it as it’s, it’s a testimony that is written in the heavens. By the Lord that was always intended to be understood and paid attention to and you know, it’s up to us to decide whether or to what extent we’re going to do that.
[09:49] Brian: Yeah. And I think the big, I think the big surprise that we have coming for you guys is how much it’s gonna be in the scriptures and that we’ve just looked past it.
[09:57] Taylor: It’s all over the place. It’s
[10:00] Brian: embedded in my every story in the scriptures. Our books, we can argue that the Bible and the book of Mormon are astro theology books.
[10:09] Michelle: OK? This is gonna be intense. Yes. Go ahead.
[10:13] Taylor: OK. So we share the
[10:15] Michelle: story. So let me just back up a little more. So Brian reached out to me and started to kind of talk to me about this and I had to confess, I’m fascinated by it. I’m open to it like I’m, you know, I’m, I’m not, I’m not jumping in with both feet, but I’m definitely willing to start waiting in the water, right? And um and I know almost nothing about it. So that’s why I was like, instead of trying to explain it to me through Facebook Messenger, how about you just come and explain it to all of us for our Christmas episode that, you know, everyone might be interested in going? OK. Why did the Wise Men follow a star? Why is this such a scriptural? Um And it’s such a big element of our scriptures and why are we so ignorant of it? I guess my last Christmas episode, I think I talked about kind of my struggle between Christmas and like, like Christmas really is this kind of strange conglomeration of a pagan holiday which was the winter solstice. And this and the Christian fathers priest trying to take that over. Right? And so in a way, we’re not really like, we have forgotten about what God like there is reason to, to celebrate the winter solstice, the return of light. It’s a beautiful thing and it is actually the creation of recognizing that, right? And at the same time anyway, so I’m so I’m really excited to be talking about this for Christmas and Brian was kind enough to agree to do it and Taylor was kind enough to come and pitch in. So anyway, have I gotten the story? Right? And is this, is there anything you guys want to add?
[11:39] Taylor: No, that sounds good to me. Um
[11:41] Michelle: OK. And so here’s my last question we’ve kind of addressed this already, but why should people not be afraid of you guys and this presentation? And why should they be interested?
[11:53] Taylor: Do you want to take that one or do you want me to
[11:55] Brian: go ahead?
[11:56] Taylor: OK. Why should you be interested one? Because it’s cool.
[12:01] Michelle: OK, I agree. I think it’s cool
[12:05] Taylor: like that’s kind of where I started with it. I think it’s cool. Um Why should you not be afraid because God has not given you the spirit of fear, but of a sound mind and of sound understanding. I’m gonna butcher that power,
[12:18] Michelle: love and a sound mind. Power, love and a sound mind. Yeah. Yeah. Thank
[12:21] Taylor: you for uh, for completing my, my butcher New Testament quote. But, you know, and with that kind of preface, I would say anything that we say that that doesn’t resonate with you, like feel absolutely free to, to set it aside, set it, you know, I, I will give you absolutely no commandments. I will make no major life decisions on your behalf. I will tell you that you have to do absolutely nothing. And so all, all I would ask is, you know, listen here is that if it’s interesting to you take it further and if it’s not interesting and doesn’t resonate with you no hard feelings. So I don’t know how, I don’t know how less threatening I can be than that. II, I don’t know if it comes across on the camera, but I’m, I’m a little bit of a larger imposing figure. And so I, I try to be threat, less threatening than uh that I maybe come across physically.
[13:14] Michelle: Yeah. Yeah. That’s what I think
[13:17] Brian: I, I have some things that I’m going to go into in the slide show that’s gonna answer that questions, those questions very soon. So
[13:22] Michelle: we just wait for excellent. So we’ll go ahead and get into it. And, yeah, that’s what I would say is this, like, if nothing else it’s really interesting and, and kind of cool and maybe kind of fun and everybody has the spirit of discernment. So you can go, oh, that’s for me, or? Oh, that’s not for me. For every individual element. And you don’t need to think it’s all one and done and, and first of all, if you think, oh, we shouldn’t talk about signs in the heavens, then you don’t get to celebrate Christmas anymore. Anyway, so here we go. OK. Are you guys able to, to scroll through? OK, perfect.
[13:58] Taylor: All right. So this is Brian’s book that I mentioned. It’s like the first page of 25 other books or so. Um Lots of really beautiful graphics, lots of uh interpretive symbols just to give you some, some pondering ideas when you’re studying your scriptures and when you’re looking at the sky. Um So what I wanted to where I wanted to start is right at the beginning of creation and I kind of stole my own thunder a minute ago and I mentioned this in our, in our discussion a second ago, but right in Genesis and God said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years. In other words, like God placed it there with the intention that it would mean something to us. Um Another one that I’m really fond of.
[14:56] Michelle: Do you guys mind if I so back on that last screen, I just had a thought because I haven’t thought about these things as much as you guys have, but it only makes sense that things would be done carefully and strategically in creation. It’s not like God had handfuls of confetti and went, Bob. Where is that? Everything? You know what I mean? Like God created this. We should assume anyway, I’m just realizing we should assume that there’s purpose to it. And then it’s not
[15:20] Taylor: written in an orderly manner. Um You know, and it’s even laid out that way for how it’s described in the scriptures that uh that we revere. So
[15:30] Michelle: yeah, and we know how precise the laws of the universe are like everything is so precisely attuned that why wouldn’t that show up for us? Go ahead.
[15:41] Brian: Sometimes some of the fear that surrounds it. It makes you almost wonder like, do you think devil created this and not God?
[15:50] Taylor: When did the devil become gain control over the powers of creation? I mean, I know, I know he claims to be the God of this world in some circumstances, but uh who’s the God of heaven, right?
[16:03] Michelle: And you know what, maybe that’s where some of our fear comes from is when, when the um you know, Catholic priests were trying to get the people away from the old ideas, they vilified all of them, right? And so maybe we still are having some of that trickle down to us today where a really great way to get people away from truth is to make it scary and evil when it’s not.
[16:28] Taylor: Indeed, I, I totally agree. Uh Another, another verse from I won’t read the entire verse from the book of Jeremiah. So also Old Testament uh thus says the Lord which giveth the light or the sun for a light by day and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night. If those ordinances depart from before me saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel shall also cease from be from being a nation before me. So the Lord refers to the things happening with the moon and the stars and the sun as ordinances and just, just part of my belief system, my faith is that ordinances are a big deal. They’re to be kept and respected and observed exactly as God as God declares. And he refers to what’s happening in the heavens as ordinances.
[17:23] Michelle: Uh I’m just, that’s hitting me really hard because part of the root, the derivation of ordinance is order, right? You’re ordained to an order. So God put these things in order and in a way what I’m gathering from this, you can tell me if I’m getting it wrong that it’s almost like the sun coming up every morning is an ordinance, right? Like this is, I agree
[17:44] Taylor: with that.
[17:45] Michelle: It just, I, I love this. First of all, I have to say just as you said, it’s cool. Everything I have seen that you guys do is just beautiful. I love the beauty and, and kind of the coolness you put into it. Like, I don’t know everything I’ve seen like I’m just this, like it just has this magical feel but not about, you know what I mean? And so I love, I have so much respect for the work you guys do. And then also, yeah, I just appreciate these ideas. It gives me so much more reverence for what could seem just mundane and normal when you, you know, like these things are actual ordinances that God has put in order and in a way the cosmos is performing ordinances for our sakes. This is gorgeous.
[18:29] Taylor: Yeah, absolutely. And so, you know, with, with uh let’s see, the next, the next slide you wanted to talk about, I think this is yours. Yeah.
[18:38] Brian: So you’ve heard of the, the title Jesus of Nazareth, right? Um It comes from the root word Nazar in Hebrew and Nazar means the con consecrate or separate, separate out, right? And the same root word comes from the Hebrew word. It’s, it’s also the same root word Nazar for Mazar or Maza. It’s and, and that is the Hebrew word for zodiac. So it’s basically synonymous. So Jesus is title Jesus of Nazareth also means Jesus of the zodiac and, and that is like the 12 constellations that you can see from the north and the southern southern hemisphere. And that’s what astrology is based on. That’s, that’s why I think people get scared away from it. But needless to say, like he um sets up, he like there’s 12 tribes of Israel called and there’s 12 zodiac, he sets apart Consecrates, 12 disciples. And as, as, as, as there are 12 zodiacs, he’s, he’s mimicking things. It’s, it’s like the Lord’s prayer. He says his intention when he says our father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven he’s doing on the earth. What is in the heavens? He’s mimicking those things.
[19:59] Michelle: And I’m, I’m not gonna get all the scriptures right now. But what is sealed on the earth is sealed in the heavens? What is sealed in the heavens? Is sealed on the earth, right? So that our scriptures
[20:09] Brian: are written in the heavens?
[20:12] Michelle: OK. This is amazing. All right. So I’m, I’m, I, I hate to ask this question right now because I just want to kind of sit in how cool what you just shared was. But so just so I can know and we can all know. So do you guys do the like, what’s my sign? What does the zodiac tell me today? What do I? Is that, is that how it’s used like, are you into astrology, I guess. And anyway, I’m just curious to know how you guys implement this. Can I
[20:38] Brian: answer it with what, you know? So Jesus was born, we’ll get into the his birthday later. His, he was born under the sign of Aries, which is the lamb, the lamb of God. It was something that his astrological sign was prophesized about for millennia and realize like you heard of the the disciple Thomas, right? He didn’t call him Thomas. He called him Dinius. Dinius means twin. And some people’s criticism of that is his twin was never produced. It was never mentioned in biblical history, but Jesus was calling him by a zodiac sign. He, he acts like a, a Gemini like he’s calling him, he’s so into it. He’s calling them by their zodiac sign.
[21:25] Michelle: OK. So my question was just premature. So I’m trying, OK. So maybe to maybe where we’ll have a little more respect for those ideas. I know that some people get a little goofy with them and everyone can choose where they want to go with it. But
[21:40] Taylor: some people do get a little bit uh a little bit goofy with it and, and you know that the caricature that I, that I use to describe that as, oh, well, they’re blaming it on the moon. Um Like you, you can’t blame your choices. You can’t blame your poor life choices on the moon. It’s, it is your fault. What you decided to do,
[21:58] Brian: we don’t wanna do anything. We don’t want to pitch anything that takes away people’s agency.
[22:03] Michelle: Well, and you know what in fairness, as I say, people get goofy with it, people get goofy with Mormonism, right? Like we have so much magical thinking. So I’m just, there’s, there’s goofiness everywhere. We shouldn’t use the goofiness to um to cast out the good. That’s, you know, that’s, that’s the foundation of it. So OK. All right, you guys back to it. I’m loving this.
[22:26] Taylor: All right. So th th this is a uh this is a map and I don’t know how well you can see the fine details on your screens when you’re watching viewers. But right down the center of this figure are the 12 constellations, the 12 signs of the zodiac, which those are 12 constellations that are visible every place on earth where the sun is visible, which is everywhere. Um
[22:53] Michelle: Like one thing I just wanted to go, Aries and Tara, I wanna make sure we can read them all. And then what’s the next one,
[23:05] Brian: the point of this layout when we laid it out when we created this, we actually call this Eve Codman. There was another drawing called Adam Adam Codman that we um we base it off of, but we wanted to switch out and this is related to Christmas time, but we wanted to switch out one of the dec and constellations because on the sides we have the Deccan constellations where there’s constellations tied to each zodiac. And there’s one that’s been kind of erased from our history and, and it’s by the Virgin Virgo and above her is like a condescension. There’s a, there’s like a, a queen that’s on the throne holding her infant prints. So that one’s called the infant.
[23:43] Taylor: Perhaps we should blink this graphic in the description so people can take a closer look.
[23:47] Michelle: Do you, do you guys have a website or a place that people can go look at? Yeah, this
[23:51] Taylor: is all on, on the channel. So you can you can find it on that will
[23:54] Michelle: definitely be linked below. But the
[23:56] Brian: idea we wanted to express behind this is that each zodiac sign lays out on the body and, and there’s a lot of this symbolism in our scriptures where it talks about Jesus being the head, the head is the ram Aries. It’s the lamb of God. And, and if you look at rams, how they grow like a circular sunlike um horn, the sun is exalted in Aries and it is the head. It’s the first born. It’s the child of the zodiac. It’s the first, it’s the first fruits. It’s the I am, it’s the I am of the zodiac like all these phrases that we just we take for granted in scriptures. Those are all cosmic ideas tied to like the lamb of God. And likewise, as you go through the body like the whole church, the whole body of Christ is like I was just thinking
[24:46] Michelle: containing the body of Christ had I have no need of the, but I have no need of the right like that. It just helps you see it in a different way. OK.
[24:56] Brian: Yep. OK. This is basic science, the sine wave. Um This is where we really get into like that. We have a video called the Genesis Genesis unveiled and the idea of the path of the sun, it, it dips up and down, it moves like a serpent in motion. And if you were to look like even back to the Egyptians, they had knowledge of this, they, that’s why they clo the, the, the pharaohs in gold and they had stripes like the angles of the
[25:28] Taylor: have like the, the cobra thing on their uh their head, their head,
[25:33] Brian: they come up like there’s a cobra. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s actually the religion used to be synonymous with science.
[25:39] Michelle: And so can I really quickly? So I hate interrupting. I’m sorry, I just, I’m worried that people might not know what you mean by the sun moving up and down. Can you explain
[25:48] Taylor: how the way I would explain that is if you, if you were to uh let’s say you were to conduct an experiment for yourself and look at the eastern horizon at the sunrise every day for a year. OK. At the spring equinox, it would be straight east. Ok. And day by day it would move a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, a little bit until the summer solstice when it would be northeast and then it would start moving backwards and you get to the fall equinox and it would be straight east again, perfectly east and then you would get, it would continue moving south until the winter solstice. And that’s kind of what he’s describing is the sine wave of sun over the course of a year. That’s, that’s how we describe it in, in modern terms, you know, anciently, they probably were a little more comfortable with geocentric descriptions where the sun revolves around the earth and the sun moves like we, we know the earth revolves around the sun. But from the earth where we stand reckoning, looking upwards into the heavens, which is how the Lord instructed Abraham in the book of Abraham about how to uh view the planets and the stars. That’s the phenomenon that we’re trying to describe. Does that make sense?
[27:06] Michelle: You described that very well? And it just makes me think how every ancient civilization it seems or the really advanced ones did know this. When you look at their architecture, it was designed, I, I won’t steal your thunder. Go ahead, Brian. I’m sorry, interrupting. And
[27:18] Brian: another way is like at the summer solstice, the highest part, the most high place of the sun, it peaks high and, and in the winter solstice, it peaks low, it go, it rises, it comes and it condescends again and it keeps dipping and, and if you look at the constellations that are drawn in the sky right before it takes its dive down and hits the fall equinox, the sun goes near oi, I can’t say that word of the serpent bear a fews. The serpent bear. So, and when it goes by the serpent bear, it has like the head of the snake right next to Libra. Libra is the balance. It’s the companion, it’s Eve and she’s there at that part of the cross. Or you could say the tree of knowledge of good and evil and, and then the sun dips, it becomes more, it goes into darkness, it goes into the wilderness. You have to put on coats of skins every year at that time because it gets, it gets colder, it gets darker,
[28:18] Taylor: are shorter and darker and colder. And,
[28:20] Brian: and you pass the serpent, the serpents there and Eve and then boom, you go down
[28:25] Taylor: and then you arrive at the uh the moment soon upon us or I guess by the time this, this airs recently upon us, the uh which is the winter solstice when the course reverses and light begins to return to the earth and the days start to get longer and you know, proclaiming the victory of light over darkness, truth over error. Um
[28:50] Michelle: So I’m I’m seeing um Yin and Yang in this as well as what you’re describing. And I’m curious if that is, I know that’s a different cultural description. But does that play in like, are these kind of the same ideas that different cultures described in different ways?
[29:08] Brian: That’s a really good analogy. Yeah. Like our winner. So says it’s not all the way dark, it has a little bit of light in it here. Right. Right. It’s more dark than light. So it’s like the dark eye. What has the white eye in it? Yeah.
[29:21] Michelle: Yep. And how they keep, there’s almost movement built into the Yin and Yang, it keeps turning and, and this is that same kind of a OK. There we go. Ok. And man, it just, it kills me that I love modern electricity and technology and lights, but it separated us from what we’re talking about. It separated us from creation. We’re not dependent on the sun. I mean, we still are but not to the same degree we’re not out seeing the stars, seeing the cosmos like we used to be. And so I’m so thankful you guys are bringing it back to us. So,
[29:51] Brian: ok. And I think this is why Joseph Smith did so good at understanding things as he was a farm boy out in nature. It was designed for that person out in nature, observing nature.
[30:01] Taylor: Yeah. One of the things that I that I regularly uh remind others, you know, even even members of our team is that these things were intended to be understood by Children. The Lord says become as a little child. This is not the purview of the fancy scholar with the phd in, you know, whatever this is intended to be something that anyone could look up at the sky and see for themselves, you know, Children
[30:29] Michelle: one more. Yeah, I was just thinking how easily Children can understand. It’s time for bed and it’s time to get up because the sun tells them that. Right. And in a way, in a way like God wants us to submit to God, but in a way we all submit to this, all of us have to put coats on in the winter, right? All of us have to ideally go to bed when it’s dark and be, you know, I mean, like we are all, we all must submit to the creation that God has made. There’s something profound in that and we can take that as further to submit to more from God.
[31:04] Taylor: Yeah. And, and it’s not because God is smashing you with a hammer. If you disobey, it’s, it’s like how, you know, you want to put a coat on because it’s cold. It like it is a reality. I actually think
[31:19] Michelle: that’s how, that’s how everything works with God. I don’t think God ever smashes us with a hammer so that we’ll have to obey. I think this is actually a good way to understand how I think God works in every way is just this invitation to go with it in ways that will be beneficial to us. We’re free to run outside without clothes on in the winter, but it might not make it if you like. Yeah. And
[31:40] Brian: we’re going to, we’re going to, we’re all Adam and Eve, we’re all going through these stories each year. Like our summer where everything grows and is lush, is, is the Garden of Eden. And then when things go dim and, and cold, we’re into the drone and lone and dreary wilderness just,
[31:58] Michelle: I love what you said, where we need coats of skin coats of skins, right? Like that’s amazing. Ok.
[32:07] Taylor: Ok.
[32:08] Brian: Ok. I’ll let me give you just like a little, this, this is the path of the sun that it takes. And then we, we drew the ones that are above in the light and the ones that are below in the darkness. Um The first one is a, the lamb of God. The next one is Tarus. It’s a symbol of like the fatted cow. It’s a symbol of our abundance. It’s used so much in scripture.
[32:26] Taylor: Um And notice as he talks about these, like he’ll use the scripture language, the fatted cow. Uh the parable, the quality like anyway, continue sorry to interrupt you. Yeah.
[32:37] Brian: And then the twins, we’re gonna go into that one a little more Gemini um Cancers has it carries its shell with it. It’s, it’s, it should be understood as a home and, and it’s the mother of the zodiac. And I think it’s, it’s actually the only one not mentioned in scripture, but that top peak part of the season where everything’s grown. I try to think of that and, and how it could possibly look in the sky is more like the tree of life. It’s probably better understood that way, in my opinion.
[33:05] Taylor: Yeah, the mother of the zodiac and the tree of life at the most high place in the sky and you know, make of that whatever you will.
[33:12] Brian: Um Leo the lion, the lion of Judah, right? And then Virgo the Virgin um Libra, the scales of balance, the Companion Eve and Scorpio, the sting of death, the symbol of death. Um um Sagittarius, um with the arrow, the Archer Centaur. It generally takes on the representation when the arrow in the bow comes up. It usually carries the symbolism of a higher learning because it aims high. And uh but it also is a symbol of uh religion, sciences. Um The goat is a, I don’t know if you know much about goats but they, um they’re loud, they don’t go as a lamb to the slaughter. They scream all the way, they’re loud, they complain, but they’re also at the very darkest place of the zodiac. They’re, they hold the winter solstice. Um Aquarius, the water bearer. It’s the idea that like, um by the end of that season, every everything’s frozen at the start of the season. And by the end of the season, the water is starting to break forth and it’s the fountain of waters, it’s called the Waters in Scripture. Um Sometimes, um in the book of Revelation described as an angel pouring out its file, the whole book is about us transitioning into the age of Aquarius. That’s why they have seven angels because seven is Saturn and it’s the ruling planet of Aquarius. It’s, it’s giving a cosmic shift that the planet is going through. It’s literally happening in the sky and then Pisces is the paradise.
[34:41] Michelle: OK. Well, this was awesome. Yeah. So if I’m doing and maybe these are obvious things. I have some questions but uh something that occurred to me is that if I’m doing my math, right? Jesus would have been conceived in Virgo and born in a, right, which
[34:58] Brian: is, I think we should talk about that a little bit at the end.
[35:03] Michelle: I’m sorry, by jump ahead. And then, and then I guess so when Jesus refers to the sheep and the goats, does that have um connections? Ok.
[35:16] Taylor: So
[35:16] Brian: uh are more submissive, they’ll submit to the Lord. They’re humble goats are loud, they’re complainers, they’re murmuring all the time. It’s a symbol of, in fact, in the original Hebrew language that was that the Glyph or Capricorn was actually drawn as a thorn. And, and it’s a symbol of the father of the zodiac. And, and so in one way, it represents the archetype that the devil is the god of this world, this underworld. But it also Jesus takes on that symbolism when he’s given a crown of thorns because the thorn is the capricorn. And that means he suffers the will of the father and all things, right? And then, and so when he takes on that crown of thorns and he suffers, it’s a symbol that he’s purchased all of creation. And then the, the sun at that darkest point of below all things. It’s where everything the son has, the UN has descended to below all, below all things. And it starts its walk back. In fact, the video we sent you is about the idea of Christmas time. We, it may not be the real birth of Jesus, but it’s three days in between Christmas and the winter solstice. And it’s the idea that like it’s been, the sun S UN has been in the tomb for three days and then it’s arising again.
[36:31] Michelle: Ok. Ok. This is so cool. So OK. So when we see it this way, I, I’ve always not, I’ve always, I had the, um the insight a long time ago that when Jesus says I am the first and the last, I think that kind of means I have, I am above all things and I have descended below all things. And just like you said, I, like we can think of that according to the zodiac and really see it in a clear way as well. We’ll
[36:55] Brian: go into that a little more later when we pull up his, we’ll do the birth chart for fun at the end. Um But Jesus is the first Aries. The lamb of God is the first and he actually has a couple of placements, has more placements in Pisces, which is the last he is literally the first in their last the stars show that his birth.
[37:14] Michelle: Ok? OK. I am loving this. I hope everyone’s loving this as much as I am. OK? And again, it’s beautiful. OK?
[37:23] Brian: I want to touch on some scripture studies. I want to show you guys how much these things are embedded into our stories. Um You guys are probably familiar with the Jacob and Esau story. They were born twins. Jacob was named Jacob because it means Supplanter and he’s hanging on to Esau’s heel when he’s coming out. And if you look at the heel on the picture, the shape of it has an extra star out of it’s not needed. There’s an extra hill there. This is matching the biblical story of Jacob and Esau where he hangs on to Esau’s Hill coming out. So, um and then embedded in these stories are the, the ideas and themes of Gemini. Gemini is a symbol of duality of like dueling for a position. It’s a symbol of the twins and they’re twins, right? Jacob be ia and sometimes Geminis are classified as tricksters, right? And Jacob in his stories, is playing, playing tricks to get his father-in-law back and his father-in-law plays tricks on him about which, which gets him into polygamy, which is the way
[38:26] Taylor: he conspires with his mother to, uh, to basically trick Isaac if you want to think of it that way into giving him the birthright instead of Esau, which then comes back to him and his father in law tricks him into marrying the woman he didn’t intend to. But
[38:43] Michelle: yeah,
[38:45] Taylor: you know, so it kind of come and then he has another incident with the lambs. You know, he conspires against his father in law and tricks him into giving him the uh the better lambs. Yeah,
[38:54] Brian: because it’s between the, the pure ones and the spotted ones and he gets the spotted ones and then he breeds the spotted ones to be stronger, right? So he comes out, he comes out better. This is laying out the meanings of that star sign. All those star stories are
[39:09] Michelle: OK. So I have to ask a question quickly. So, ok, it’s, it’s blowing my mind how this is all embedded. I guess my question is, where does it come from? Where does the zodiac come from? It’s not necessarily spelled out in our scriptures. Where do we get these ideas?
[39:25] Taylor: That that is a interesting question and a long and deep rabbit hole. But I think the, I think the best way I can answer that is, it’s something that mankind has valued enough to transmit for 5000 years, at least across language and cultural boundaries several different times until you know, today, where we do, we do, we have it perfectly the way the Lord intended it when he, I’m sure taught it to Adam and definitely taught it to Abraham according to our scriptures. Almost certainly not. Ok. We’re almost like I would be shocked if we have, if we have anything perfectly. But this has been something mankind is valued enough to transmit across cultural boundaries. It goes all the way back to Ancient Egypt I think is some of the earliest that we found. We
[40:15] Brian: have a video on Dendera where we ta take everybody through the Dendera Zac and it’s intact. It’s the same as what we have today,
[40:20] Taylor: which Dendera for those who haven’t seen it. That’s, that’s an Egyptian uh stone that, uh, cars, the signs of the zodiac. And it’s what, 5000 years old, at least
[40:32] Brian: at the least 22 to 3000. It’s really debated actually.
[40:35] Taylor: Yeah.
[40:35] Brian: Ok. Yeah, I, I show both sides of the debate in the video. We do.
[40:38] Taylor: I tip my hand. But I think, I think it’s really old
[40:41] Michelle: and it probably borrowed
[40:42] Brian: from me and it’s, they have, they have the Zodiac intact in some old Jewish synagogues too. They were like laying out the tap tabernacles. We’re going to show a graphic on that later. And
[40:54] Taylor: there are cathedrals in Europe that have glass windows of the zodiac signs. I wish I had that at my
[41:00] Michelle: community. So we don’t necessarily have like a Bible for the zodiac, like one universal. But I love, ok. But, um, ok, so it’s just like this, this knowledge is just embedded everywhere and, and so it’s almost like, even, even if it’s not trying to be there, it’s there, like the Bible isn’t about the zodiac, but the zodiac is in the Bible, just like it’s in everything else. That’s
[41:29] Taylor: an excellent way to put it very well said.
[41:31] Brian: OK, another story, uh Samson Hebrew was more like shimin, right? Um It’s a playoff for the word shamsh. Shamsh is the sun. And, and through that story, we’re giving, get being given and told the archetypes of the sun, the sun is the ruling planet of Leo. And, and, and if you notice Samson who takes on the persona of the sun, a symbol of power overpowers the lion. He’s the, he rules the lion and uh and, and the lion archetype, which is brought into that story is also the archetype of, of romance. It rules over romance. It’s that, that subject. And then there are the, the Samson and Delilah and all his romantic endeavors. So it’s once again walking you through the meanings of Leo. And so,
[42:21] Michelle: ok, can I ask another, these are all my beginner questions when you say it’s the ruling planet of Leo. Like, can you just kind of walk us through? What does it mean to have a ruling planet of a sign? I, if, if that’s not a quick answer, I’ll let people study it out.
[42:36] Brian: Yeah. Each constellation has a ruling planet that and, and there’s some debate in that because there’s a lot of modern astrologists will assign some of the newly discovered planets like Pluto. You see,
[42:53] Taylor: and they make
[42:54] Brian: those the new rulers, but the scriptures, the old rulers were visible. Um and they, and, and in scriptures, they associate their numbers with those planets in the
[43:03] Taylor: stories and to, to back it up just a little bit. Um the word planet means wandering star, right in, in Greek and the planets, you know that we all learned about in our seventh grade science class Mercury and Venus and Mars and Jupiter and so on. Um They traverse just as the sun does. The sun traverses the entire period of the zodiac. You know, the entire, it starts in a, in, in late March and early April and makes its way through every one of those signs, every one of those constellations. The planets also follow a course through each of the signs. It’s not the same as the suns and some of them, you know, the outer planets are quite long. Saturn takes like 30 years to make a complete circle around. Uh Mars takes two ish years and so that, that’s what he means by ruling signs. Like when, when Mars or Jupiter or whatever is in a particular sign, does that make
[44:02] Brian: sense? And it’s more like this, they have matching them? So they’re, they’re at home, for example, Mars is in the Romans is known as the God of war. And Aries is also known as the God of War, which Jesus gives us some self, the title lord of hosts and that’s better translated Lord of armies. He’s the lord of armies. Therefore, he’s the God of war, right? So when Mars and Aries combine, they’re considered at home. But if you put Mars the God of War and Libra, the scales of balance, it’s considered a detriment. It’s, it’s in its opposite of its home.
[44:32] Michelle: This is
[44:33] Taylor: war theme at the peace place where it’s like, yeah,
[44:39] Michelle: matching energies, an alignment, a uh uh a harmony or a, you know, a symmetry between them instead of a dissonance. OK. OK. And how you just said that Jesus is also the Lord of Hosts made me realize like I wanna say, I think maybe that’s what some people are afraid of. I shouldn’t say afraid of. But why they dismiss this or think it’s bad is because it’s like they think it somehow competes with the savior. Like this is a different religion that’s not Christian. And I think what I’m hearing from you guys is that Jesus is the Lord of the zodiac, right? Like this entire zodiac is submissive to or so. So this understanding, this is an additional way to worship the Lord. It’s an addition brings us additional insight and depth into our testimonies instead of a competition. OK. This
[45:25] Brian: will strengthen testimonies. I hope it does. I hope
[45:28] Michelle: so. Ok, that’s great. I guess that’s what I’m saying. Just like that planet is the Lord of that sign or the ruler Jesus is the ruler of the whole thing, right? So, OK,
[45:39] Brian: so this one’s, I love this one. Jesus is actually really calculating um in scriptures. He, he approaches a Samaritan woman at the well, right? And he, he brings up the the field is a white ready to harvest and his disciples bicker with him and they’re like, it’s not even four months till the first Jewish harvest. And I’m like, well, he just gave a date there. That’s how I think it is
[46:03] Taylor: what it is.
[46:05] Brian: Harvest is like May 20th. He’s going into there in Aquarius, the water bearer season, somebody holding a pitcher of water and he’s approaching at the well, a woman with a picture of water doing it right? At the so’s alignment of that, right? No joke. Wow. And then he’s asking her to serve in water. And then the theme, the biggest theme of, of Aquarius is and what it means. And John gives a meeting later, he says the waters which is Aquarius and he says is a representation of all nations kindreds tons and people, right? It’s social constructs, it’s social constructs and social gatherings. And he, she, he gets her, he convinces her that he’s the Messiah and the Messiah is the lion of Judah, Judah archetype. It’s the opposite theme to Aquarius. But she goes and enacts the Aquarian theme of social gathering and she gathers everybody to him to meet the Messiah. He just there set up during the sun’s alignment with Aquarius, the whole theme of Aquarius. And not only that, like when you overlay this and you look at it, the seasons that are in the sky. Um And we’ll go into this a little bit more later, but Saturn is known as that, which takes away, it’s what, it’s a day of rest, it’s retraction. You take these scriptural themes and you have Saturn come into Aquarius. That’s what happened during Code of COVID.
[47:28] Taylor: We got a flu that shall not be named. We don’t want to get
[47:32] Brian: taken away our social gatherings, taken away during the Saturn’s alignment, which takes away in this constellation Aquarius. You can measure it today and you can see the seasons like it’s like, that’s the ancient
[47:47] Taylor: cosmic, that’s where the name comes from.
[47:50] Michelle: It’s just like this is so cool. I, I I’m like, I know a ton of it is going over my head. I know I’m gonna like go study this and then come back and watch it and get so much more out of it. What I’m understanding is amazing. So just how you said, like, like in some ways, these Bible things that Jesus did can seem sort of strange. Like he went, he very, very intentionally went on this day to this woman at this. Well, like I’ve always been like, why? Like he, he, he missed all these other people, you know, like there are lots of ways that it can seem almost capricious and you know, it’s not. And so you guys are helping me go. Oh That was so intentional because he was speaking in this language as well. This universal language.
[48:34] Brian: We’ve been trying to scream, it’s all in the
[48:36] Taylor: scriptures. It’s all been there the whole time.
[48:40] Michelle: Oh my gosh. And it made me when you said that Aquarius is the waters that are our social structures and our social gatherings and maybe like I’m just letting my brain go if I drive you crazy. Let me know. But when it says that the beast will be upon all the many waters at in the in revelation, right? And oh, are you getting that? It’s like all of our OK. OK. OK.
[49:02] Brian: Yes. It is a refer to that and, and, and it’s about them taking, putting people into captivity, deceiving people,
[49:10] Michelle: people. Oh Yeah. So it’s controlling all of our interactions with one another and all of our, right. OK. All right. Amazing.
[49:22] Brian: OK. This next one’s fun. I don’t know if you can guess who this is, but this is LA.
[49:27] Michelle: OK?
[49:29] Brian: He’s half out drunk there. So
[49:32] Michelle: I thought he’d be wearing nicer robes. We
[49:35] Brian: wanna give you like like one example of how nature follows the path of the sun. But the scriptures do the same thing. So many of our stories are in linear fashion following the path of the sun. Just like clockwork. Our movies even do this. Some people in our movies understand this kind of stuff, but our scriptures do it too. And so Libras, the scales of balance where everything’s well weighed and judged. And that’s the first symbol I have up there um to the left and it’s about the theme of that is going into the wilderness, but not only that grapes get ripe during that season, everything starts to turn red like wine and it’s a symbol of the time because it’s the counterbalance. It’s the partner, it’s marriage, but it’s also about has the symbol. It carries a symbol of wine. So not only has Nephi Lehi and co gone into the wilderness, they Laban’s got drunk with wine. It’s pulling in all the archetypes of Libra that’s happening there. And they’ve had their
[50:36] Michelle: remind me the time of year that Libra is, is that,
[50:39] Taylor: that’s uh October ish.
[50:42] Michelle: Yeah, it’s autumn OK.
[50:44] Taylor: End of September, early to mid October. OK.
[50:46] Michelle: So are turning red and almost OK.
[50:49] Brian: Yes. And then it goes to like towards the end of October and then we get into Halloween season, which is Scorpion season. That’s not a coincidence. Um, it’s a symbol of the sting of death and what happens, what
[51:03] Taylor: happens to Laban if, for anybody who hasn’t read Spoiler and, uh, hasn’t read past page three of the book of Mormon,
[51:10] Michelle: he loses his head,
[51:12] Brian: he gets killed and it’s a consequence of him trying to kill Nephi and him robbing Nephi. Those are all the archetypes of Scorpio. It’s walking us right through in linear fashion, the, the, the glyphs that the, the zodiac signs. And then the next one,
[51:28] Taylor: like I takes the stuff that wasn’t originally his. That’s another Scorpion theme, taking stuff that doesn’t originally belong to you. Ok. Back to the wild
[51:39] Michelle: at Halloween. Ok. And
[51:41] Brian: then the next one, are we ready to go to Sagittarius? Sagittarius is the archer. Next thing he goes into the wilderness and he breaks his bow,
[51:48] Michelle: breaks his bow and then has to make the archer.
[51:52] Brian: And it’s a sense goes up and it goes down and it crashes.
[51:57] Michelle: So, so I am assuming that this tells us when they left Jerusalem, right? Is that, do you guys tie it in like that? Like, have you looked into dates or does it not even matter because it’s themes and it doesn’t have to be
[52:10] Brian: on, we’re talking about the theme of the story, not actual,
[52:14] Taylor: not necessarily the hard dates, but, but if
[52:16] Brian: we want to take a detour after that, I can walk you through some book of Mormon stuff where it matches exactly with the stars.
[52:23] Michelle: Ok. Ok. Ok. So let’s
[52:25] Brian: do this, this theme, this story because the, the book of Mormon is taking us through the theme and then we’ll, then we’ll take you to real time. Like what was happening in the Stars of Heaven during the book of Mormon? And if we can verify that or if it shows that it was not a real book, right? We’ll go into that.
[52:40] Taylor: Oh.
[52:41] Michelle: Oh, ok. Ok.
[52:43] Brian: Um So Sagittarius is the archer theme. He breaks his bow arrow and it becomes about the that the Nephi story. And then next thing that happens in the story is Capricorn, the whiny goat, his brother start murmuring, pushing back. He’s an all new low, he’s humbled, brought to his knees in prayers. Capricorn is also the knees of the zodiac he’s brought to his knees. Um And then next they come onto the waters, they resolve that problem. They go into the waters, they abuse Nephi, then the waters get turbulent. Now, we’re talking about the theme that’s the book of Revelation, the angels pouring out his vials and, and because that’s the theme of Aquarius, it’s the water, bear the angel pouring out its vial and that everything gets turbulent and Nephi has to calm and pray it down and I mean, he prays and calms it down and then, and then the Pisces is also known as the mutable water, but it’s also where you make it to the other land, the promised land and they make it to the fall. And so we, it’s just taking you through these themes of the zodiac, like these stories, like it’s embedded in every single one of the Bible and book of Mormon stories.
[53:58] Michelle: OK. That’s amazing.
[54:01] Brian: And so there we have this example from page from the book.
[54:04] Taylor: This is one of the pages from the book on Capricorn. So since we were talking about Capricorn complaining goats,
[54:10] Brian: um if you want to, I can go back to your question. Now about is there actual signs in the heavens of um that match to what it’s actually saying in real time in the book of Mormon? And uh for example, one, it’s a little easier to go to the closer dates. Um but it gives us timeliness in the book of Mormon better than it does the Bible actually. So it’s actually more verifiable. And for example, I was reading through it in 35 I don’t remember the exact verse, but it says in the sort of justice that hang over your head and it gives a date and it’s saying it’s like a transition of an year. So they their years go from spring to spring usually. And so I’m looking up spring of that year and I’m pulling out star charts and looking at the coordinates of, of all that and literally Orion’s sword, it’s hanging in the air and Mars has come into it, like filling up the sword orion’s sword more. And I’m like, holy crap.
[55:07] Michelle: OK? Like,
[55:08] Brian: like just crazy stuff like that in the book of Mormon. And then other ones were like, and we told you about the alignment that happened during COVID and how it was a match of what, how Jesus described what those constellation alignments meant. And it was talking about them banding up against the Gadot and Robbers and it gave this year that they fortified and went into all one place and they’re gonna starve them out, right? And I’m like, oh, that’s an easy theme. That means that either Saturn or Pluto would be in the constellation Scorpio because Scorpio is about taking what’s not yours. And Scor Saturn and Scorpio would take that it’d be a transition or taking that away from them and I looked it up and it wasn’t just one of them that was in those in the constellation Scorpio, but both of them entering into it at that time. And I was like, oh my word, I’m like, this is a literal book. Like this is not just allegory, but there is some, there’s an aspect of this, that this stuff, the stars are showing these same things happening in the world.
[56:07] Michelle: OK. OK. This is, so, have you looked at, I’m just curious when, um I think it’s nei um third Nephi, when um isn’t that what it is, yeah, day and a night and a day. It’s the opposite of an eclipse when the savior is born. Right. Have you guys done anything on that? Because I’m super curious. It could
[56:25] Brian: have been another phenomenon. Like, could be dark matter. It could
[56:29] Taylor: be. Yeah. One of those phenomena, like, I, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a phenomenon in the sky that can produce light, like, uh, as though it’s daytime at night. Um you know, a day and night and day with no darkness. I, I’ve heard of that in like, you know, the college astronomy courses I took like, hey, if this star were to have a supernova, it would be like daytime. Like I’ve heard of that kind of thing theoretically. But who’s to say
[56:59] Brian: that’s one of the next part of our presentations that we’re gonna go into our theories? But we can’t like scientifically prove that one on um as of yet, maybe someday
[57:10] Taylor: I’ll need to get in the DeLorean and you know, get it up to 88 mil,
[57:15] Michelle: all of us, right? I needed to orientate.
[57:18] Brian: So we, we’ve tried to lay a foundation that, that like this stuff’s real, it’s in scripture. And now we want to like use this and push our focus to Jesus and look at the theories like
[57:32] Taylor: that type of things is the Christmas special. This is, you know, we’re going to talk about the star of Bethlehem. And what is that? And, you know, we’re, we’re gonna offer you four theories that are not necessarily mutually exclusive. They might all be uh descriptions of what happens. Some of them might be more than others. Yeah. But uh ok, so the, the first one is very literal. It is that it is simply a new star. And I, and I have a hard time reading the scripture without like bringing up my Trump voice. So I’ll try not to just do it. You know, because because Trump, if you ever listen to him, he’s always the likes of which you’ve never seen before, you know, he always is the biggest, the greatest. So he live in 14 5. This is, this is Samuel the Lamon night and behold, there shall a new star arise such an one as ye never have beheld, see you on my best behavior. I don’t approve and there’s also shall be a sign unto you and behold, this is not all, there shall be many signs and wonders in the heavens. So what Samuel is saying, like he says, there’s a new star and he like clarifies, it says literally like he’s, he’s offering you that in such a way that it can’t be mistaken one that you’ve never seen before. Ok. But it goes on and I think validates at least the possibility that there are other interpretations here because behold, this is not all there shall be many signs and wonders in the heaven. Remember wonders in the heaven. We come back to that in a second.
[59:07] Brian: Yeah, let’s go to the next slide.
[59:09] Michelle: And I can, I just say one thing here also. I guess I’m still on the, I’m, I’m, I’m, I don’t want to harp too much on validating this but think how interesting it is. Like, if, if there was someone who was completely ignorant of anything having to do with the signs in the heavens, would God give them the knowledge, the Foreknowledge, the prophetic knowledge that there are going to be signs and wonders in the heavens, right? I’m guessing that he had some understanding of what that would mean, right? You know what I mean? Like, yeah, just like the more, the more that the greater our knowledge pool, the more that God can give us to understand. And so I think, you know, this is kind of validating that these prophets respected and understood and studied the whatever they call it. The zodiac. What? Right. So,
[59:59] Taylor: you know, and if you look at the book of Abraham, you know, there, there’s an entire chapter where the Lord is explaining the movements of the planets to Abraham. Like it, it was of such a high priority that one, the Lord taught Abraham about it and two Abraham wrote it down and three Joseph Smith translated it so we could end up in our scriptures like it, it mattered. Yeah,
[1:00:25] Brian: he’s saying the same thing in that if you look up, I don’t want to detour us too much, but you go and turn to your fil lilies and, and it identifies the middle one as co op that signifies new creation and it has a ram there. A ram a being with a ram head. That’s Harry. It’s the first creation. It’s the first one. It’s the first zodiac
[1:00:44] Taylor: we could go on about this all day.
[1:00:46] Michelle: Ok. So, whatever our problems with Abraham might be with the book of Abraham and the scrolls and the right, it’s kind of, that’s kind of how I look at it at this point because I haven’t delved into that deeply. But it’s like the book itself has value of some sort
[1:01:00] Taylor: I would encourage on it is to judge it by its content. And you
[1:01:05] Michelle: know, the story of how it came about
[1:01:07] Taylor: if, if somebody wants to delve into that more than I do. Like I, I haven’t personally been interested enough to uh to search that out. Like I’m more interested in the content of it. I, I start from the presumption that Joseph is for real.
[1:01:20] Brian: Yeah, and it has some science in it that, that, that is real measurable and the critics will need to deal with. So
[1:01:27] Michelle: I’m hoping to do an episode on the book of Abraham and um and talk about the difficulties I would love to have you guys back on when I do that to kind of present one side of it, it’ll be, it’ll be a while. But anyway, think about, I
[1:01:40] Taylor: don’t think I’ve ever said no to, uh, to an invitation. So. Ok.
[1:01:46] Brian: Ok. Keep, keep in mind when Samuel says such as one you’ve never beheld, he had to say that there because a new star actually means something completely different to the Ancients. Um, and that is, as a new star means something on the eastern horizon. Even the, among the, whether it be the Israelis or the Egyptians. Um Yeah, new was in the east. Dying is in the west birth
[1:02:13] Taylor: and death. Yeah, that’s,
[1:02:16] Michelle: and
[1:02:16] Brian: so it could naturally mean a star that is having an eastern position in which we are going to go into that in a lot more detail. But yeah, they would call that east and Westing also, the Egyptians would and that’s why they would align tombs in Egypt along the west of the Nile, not east of the Nile. So it was, they were lying out things according to the cosmos. So, so that can actually mean other things and we’re gonna get into that later.
[1:02:43] Taylor: Ok. So that, that second theory is that a new star was simply a star at the eastern horizon at an appointed time when it would be expected uh by the wise men who would say, where is he? That is born king of the Jews for we have seen his star in the east and are come to worship him. Ok? That’s one interpretation of what they may have meant. OK.
[1:03:08] Brian: OK. Do you remember what you said about uh around the time of where um the virgin would be is when Jesus would be conceived, right? You remember that comment? So, um yeah, you want to go ahead and read that. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:03:25] Taylor: So theory number three is, is that a star sign or a sign in the heavens was a star alignment? So this is revelations chapter 12, revelation chapter 12, excuse me, and there appeared a great wonder in heaven. Remember Samuel prophesized about many signs and wonders in heaven. So John is going to tell you what he thinks a wonder in heaven is a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and upon her head, a crown of 12 stars. Now, after spending the last, you know, 45 minutes hour hour or so with us, I hope that that’s like calling to mind some things like, ok, we’ve got a virgin and we’ve got the sun and we’ve got the moon and they’re in particular places, right? And upon her head, a crown of 12 stars and she being with child, cried, travailing in birth and pain to be delivered. So this is describing a particular configuration of stars and planets in the sky and one that doesn’t come up very often. I I’m aware of three instances. Um One of them is in September BC two which A as you pointed out earlier, uh is around the time when Mary would have found herself overshadowed by the Holy Ghost and uh great with child or beginning, not great with child yet. Soon to be great with child.
[1:04:51] Brian: Yeah. And then, then the sun is overshadowing. That’s a common pheno phenomenon to have the sun go past Virgo at that time of year, right? But the, the alignment of all the other planets is incredibly rare. rare. My dad, OK. So we want to dive into the meaning of this though, but go on.
[1:05:07] Michelle: Yeah, I want, OK, so the 12 stars and I have you spoken to what that could mean? Leo
[1:05:14] Brian: Leo has nine stars and then you have Venus.
[1:05:18] Michelle: OK? I see
[1:05:20] Brian: Mars all up there. So she has her head with 12 because you have Leo nine, the nine of Leo Leo just above her. Then you have the moon under her feet. Yeah. And uh yeah. And then so
[1:05:34] Michelle: OK, I’m glad I asked that stupid question because the answer made it very clear to me. So OK, there’s no
[1:05:39] Taylor: stupid question, right? So we, yeah, the stupid question is one you don’t ask. But
[1:05:45] Brian: so our next slide, we we it’s just kind of a recap that of Doctrine covenants 21 3. Some people interpret that different ways. But um some people associate jesus’ birth with April 6th that have came out of Mormonism because of this
[1:06:02] Taylor: because of this particular verse. And I I would note that this particular sign that we just had on the last slide, I mentioned that it’s appeared in the heavens three times that I’m aware of BC two is one of them. Uh, 1830 is another of them when it appeared in the novel.
[1:06:22] Brian: That was, um, it was, it was 1827 1827. We’ll go into that in the next time, but that was the same day that Joseph got the gold plates. Yeah,
[1:06:32] Taylor: that’s right. I’m way up.
[1:06:35] Brian: Um But the idea is this April 6th date. Um You’ve had two people that came from Mormonism that have researched this and they started overlaying calendars with what the book of Mormon said on timelines. I think one was John Pratt and the other one was Brian Weaver and they both calculated out within like a day of each other and got the same date around April 5th or sixth. So like using Book of Mormon math. So Joseph was the type that did that kind of stuff that did that kind of mathematics. For example, he would be if you’ve read the lectures on faith, he’s going through the math of the fathers. And he, if he was doing that there, he may have done that with the book of Mormon also and may have figured that date out that way. So not really sure, but I think
[1:07:22] Michelle: it’s around about that you’re saying he chose to, to organize the church on that day. So these are theories as to how he could have come up with that with that day,
[1:07:32] Taylor: the day he organized the church I believe, was specified by revelation that the Lord said this is the day you’re supposed to do it. And it turned out to be April 6th, 1930.
[1:07:42] Brian: Yeah. And then, and then you’ve had two other people do once again, take the, take sacred calendars and apply them to the book of Mormon to see how far back Jesus was born. And they came up with the same dates like calculated Jesus birth. I haven’t done that personally, but there’s been two other researchers that have done that.
[1:08:00] Michelle: OK. OK.
[1:08:01] Brian: So I want to talk about like the meanings of the constellation like because a lot of people like to point it out, but I want to go through the meanings. Let’s hit the next slide. Um Real quick, the sun is a representation of the power of God. It’s the most glorious and powerful heavenly body out there. I don’t. And it’s, that’s how it’s kind of used and it rules
[1:08:19] Taylor: the day its strength like we’re dependent on it for our lives. For all of the energy, we drive plants, animals like everything depends on the sun. Yes.
[1:08:31] Brian: Then the next the mo this is where it’s gonna be triggering to a lot of people. But uh the moon is a symbol of like a covenant body. It’s like the house of God in its depiction in early Hebrew was drawn as a house, a hieroglyph of a house. And therefore there’s some ominous warnings when it’s put under feet. It’s actually a bad omen. Not a, not a good omen for some let’s go to the next.
[1:08:55] Michelle: Ok. So just really quickly. So the sun generally is, is masculine like, you know, and the moon is considered feminine, right? And so kind of am I I faith in here? I just
[1:09:08] Brian: one example is Joseph’s dream when Joseph in Egypt had a dream that the stars all bowed to him, right? The 12 stars. And um and he talked about the sun and the moon also and and Jacob instantly interpreted it that way he goes, you mean even your father and mother will bow to you and he used the moon as a symbol of the wife, the mother. And that’s and think of it in terms of a covenant body or the bride of Christ, right? Ok. So, so it can take on those archetypes and scriptures. Um Venus, the the the goddess of love, right? Um is very, if you put it, it, its hieroglyph was represented as a foot. And if you go to the next slide, like we were getting told about the meaning of the story all along in the Cinderella story, the glass slipper right there, right? And the idea is it, it’s about putting underfoot, the old misbehaving family, the unfaithful family and then getting a new covenant, everything about the foot is a new covenant, a new testament, right? And so next slide, um this story came from the Greeks and the Greeks believe it’s believed that the Greeks got it from the Egyptians. It’s really old. So like we were, we’ve been being told about these, some of these things in, in our basic fairy tales, but they, they, they hold a lot of truth. So when you put the, the, the moon under foot, it means that there has been an old covenant, but a new covenant is coming,
[1:10:42] Taylor: a replacement, right? Of Christ, a replacement covenant, a replacement uh counterpart. Um And you know, the glass slipper for me always reminds me of the Jewish wedding tradition. I don’t know. And I, I don’t claim to be an expert on this. I’ve had this much exposure to it. But the tradition where as part of the wedding ceremony, the bride and the groom break glass, they step on
[1:11:09] Michelle: glass on it. Yeah.
[1:11:11] Taylor: Yeah. And, and the glass slipper always reminds me of that. And I think that is appropriate symbolism here for this discussion because the moon under feet breaking like, OK, something old is going away and something new is beginning and with that, it’s often referred to as the birth of the kingdom of God. Um very appropriate for Jesus’s birth and for Joseph receiving the plates. Yeah,
[1:11:35] Brian: because, because there’s a because once again, covenant and Testament are interchangeable words. They could be translated one way or the other. The Old Testament could be called Old Covenants. The New Testament covenants in the book of Mormon. Another Testament could be also called another covenant of Jesus. Therefore, it’s in the star signs have matched in line with all these events as we’ve gone through this, like the stars are giving their narrative too and these are their alignments to get all those planets there. It’s hundreds of years in the making.
[1:12:09] Michelle: So, so when you say a bad omen, um does that what I’m interpreting that to mean is just like saying that a shift is coming. Like there is some sort of you’re the one who’s being replaced.
[1:12:23] Brian: So it’s like the idea of Joseph gives a discourse on that. He said, John, the Baptist was raised up to remove the covenant from the Jews. So when they killed him, it removed their keys. So it’s a bad Omen for the Jews. It means the covenant, it’s
[1:12:35] Taylor: bad if you’re getting the one, if you’re the one losing your
[1:12:37] Brian: covenant, they, they were losing active covenant status. And then the, the, the Christian dispensation receives new covenant status, right? And then then that Omen when Joseph, because it’s the same day, if you count it the way that Hebrew from evening to evening because he caught it the one evening and then Stars Line was in the next morning. Um It’s showing that like Joseph is receiving another covenant, but then it’s also showing that like, the Christian dispensation is over, that they’ve been stripped of their covenant. That’s what a star sign means.
[1:13:10] Taylor: And so, you know, bad omen, that’s really up to you whether, you know, if you are receptive to what God is doing or, you know, that’s not bad news if you, if you’re, if you’re in the right place and if you’re, if you’re in touch with God and you’re being building relationship with him and on board with what he’s doing.
[1:13:31] Michelle: Well, yeah, that’s, that’s kind of my view on it is like nothing is bad. If we are submissive to God, God does all of these things for our benefit, all these things should work to, to be for our good, right? So, so that’s, I guess why I was questioning the use of bad omen because it’s kind of like if we’re submissive to God, we know everything is good and we just flow with it, right? So there isn’t bad good coming from God. Ok?
[1:13:54] Taylor: But it would feel pretty bad if you’re the Jews who are losing their covenant status and losing and you’re going to have your temple destroyed and you know, be scattered to the four like that would feel pretty
[1:14:05] Michelle: bad. But there were a lot but again, came along that, yeah, that only happened because they were so um proud, right? If they had been submissive and humble, then they could have just flowed into the new covenant. Right.
[1:14:20] Taylor: Absolutely. Yeah.
[1:14:22] Michelle: Yeah. So, it doesn’t have to be bad for us, I guess, is what I’m saying. It’s like
[1:14:28] Brian: the,
[1:14:29] Michelle: yeah, exactly. OK.
[1:14:33] Taylor: All right. Theory. Number four, we had to go here. We had to,
[1:14:36] Brian: we have to talk about it.
[1:14:39] Michelle: I love it.
[1:14:40] Taylor: I, I love Brian’s artwork. I, I love it so much. It’s
[1:14:44] Michelle: incredible. It is in, I just, uh, I love it. It’s, it’s, it makes it like you could watch these channels to do the whole like a smr meditations. I mean, it’s just gorgeous. What you, what you do. So anyway, I, every single slide I’m like, I love it.
[1:15:01] Brian: We, we want this to be fun. So should I go here? Huh? Um So we’re gonna bring up some things with this theory and this is more for fun. We have to, we want to talk about it but we’re um but this
[1:15:17] Michelle: isn’t necessarily your theory or your top theory is what I’m hearing it.
[1:15:21] Brian: It’s a fun theory. I, I can’t indefinitely prove it, but we want to talk about it for fun. It’s gonna involve this book. Have you heard of this book of Joshua? It was printed by the Mormons out of Salt Lake City and apparently
[1:15:34] Michelle: I have heard of it. I’m so far not a huge fan but um but I’m, I haven’t read it. I just had it quoted at me like, what are you talking about? So, anyway, but, but I’m open to it. The
[1:15:45] Brian: Bible references the book of Joshua, whether this is the real thing or not, we don’t know. Um, it does have some interesting stuff. There’s like a star alignment that it’s like one of the stories seems to be embodied in a star alignment and that catches my eye. I’m like, huh. That’s interesting. Um, and that would be with Orion because it, or the Juicy Orion is the, it’s seen as a mighty Hunter Orion, the hunter, right? And the juice see that as Nimrod and he’s dressed with garb, he’s wearing the coat of many colors, right? And, and that the focus of Orion’s consolation is his belt. And, um, so that gives me pause because it identifies that birthright as the coat. Um And then that’s, and it makes more sense actually when you have less of the bi when the Bible story tells less, it makes it makes more sense why Joseph’s brothers didn’t like him if he was receiving the coat that was passed down from Adam in the Garden of the Garden of Eden, that would make a lot more sense. So it, it does have some stuff that’s suggestible and then the stars seem to embody that a little bit. So I like that. It also has some stuff that it gives additional details that we find in the book of Mormon, for example, the City of Enoch in the Bible it was just enoch left but in the book of M but in Joseph Smith stuff it in his revelation from the whole city and this book says the city went like there was others that went with him. So there’s some stuff that’s like actually validated and we know that there was a revelation in the Doctrine covenants that says some things are Yeah.
[1:17:21] Taylor: Yeah. So when we’re, when we’re talking about anything like that, the book of Joshua, I think certainly fits this description. Uh Section 91 of the Doctrine and covenants. Um The Lord, the Lord, the Lord recommends the apocrypha for study most people. When I was learning it in seminary, I wasn’t taught it that way. But if you read the plain text of section 91 the Lord says there are many things contained there in that are true and it is mostly translated correctly. He does give you a warning. There are many things contained there in that are not true, which are interpolations by the hands of men verily, I say unto you that it is not needful, the apocrypha should be translated. Therefore, whoso readeth it, let him understand for the spirit manifested truth and whoso is enlightened by the spirit shall obtain benefit there from like that to me. Sounds like a recommendation, you know, first be enlightened by the spirit and second, you know, if, if so then yeah, these are, there are some things out there that are worthy of study. But definitely, like we said, at the very beginning of this, apply your discernment and recognize. Yeah, these things don’t have the, the perfect unqualified endorsement of God as the, the absolute universal truth. The endorsement you get from the Lord is. Yeah, if you uh if you’re enlightened by the Holy Spirit, you can benefit from it. Great.
[1:18:46] Brian: Ok. So, so one star story in there is, it expands more about Joseph and from our culture, our history, Joseph knew more about the stars. That’s another thing that’s cross agreeing on. And, and we have a depiction of Joseph who’s in Egypt and Benjamin up there. And there’s a point in the Joseph getting sold into Egypt’s story where um they admit that they sold their brother into Egypt and, and he pulls Benjamin aside who was not involved in the selling of Joseph to Egypt. And he, and he gets talking to him along privately and he’s like, hey, I, I hear that um the Hebrews know the mysteries of the stars. Like, do you know about those things? And he’s like, yeah, my father taught me them, he taught me in wisdom and, and how to be wise, right? And those are the same keywords that we use to describe the wise men who, who know the stars. And he’s like, well, then here are the instruments, here’s the map of the stars. And here is this, he gave him the instruments, he goes, you should be able to track down and find what Joseph said. And, and apparently, according to this account, Benjamin looks at it and he gets like, astonished and he’s like, goes quiet and Joseph’s like, what is it? What do you see? And he’s like, well, it shows that Joseph should be here with me. Now. He’s like, are you Joseph? And then that’s when he confesses that he’s Joseph and he’s like, but did you not tell your brothers? I’m going to put a cup in your sack. I need to see whether they repented
[1:20:25] Taylor: or not in this version of it. Like Benjamin’s in on the whole cup in the sack. Ok. You know, again, not claiming it’s absolutely true. And just, it’s interesting and it’s cool. So we, it is
[1:20:39] Michelle: really cool. I was gonna say that but, but
[1:20:42] Brian: what if the wise men were actually using the stars and their knowledge of them and had maps and we’re actually tracking
[1:20:51] Taylor: and we’re able to use them in that way that unless you’ve told me, unless you figured it out since the last time we talked about it, I haven’t figured out how to do that yet.
[1:20:58] Brian: It would not.
[1:20:59] Michelle: That’s, isn’t that what we all kind of thought? Isn’t that what we all kind of think? I don’t know. That’s what I always thought growing up, that they saw the car.
[1:21:08] Taylor: I grow up. It’s like a star hovering over the man. Like
[1:21:14] Brian: my argument against that theory of a star huddling over chasing Jesus would be, that, wouldn’t he have found him?
[1:21:21] Michelle: Oh, good point. Plus, have you ever tried to follow the moon or? You know, it’s like chasing the end of the rainbow. It’s not gonna stay, you know, it’s all perspective and relation. You can’t see a star in the heaven and choose a manger. I, I choose, you know, one stable from it. And so I, that’s, that’s funny because I, your fourth theory, which is kind of the one that, you know is, I guess what I thought happened,
[1:21:45] Taylor: none of these were mutually exclusive. So,
[1:21:48] Michelle: ok, I’m not, I guess I, I hadn’t thought of it critically. It’s just kind of what I grew up. I’m remembering back to when I was a child being like they knew so much about how to or a teenager, you know, anyway, they can bring the stars like a map.
[1:22:02] Brian: Yep. So we wanna show like we’re gonna pull up some stars on some known figures of the channel. And, uh, um, you tell, you, tell us how close we are, right? And, and so, but first before we go into her and then we’re gonna jump into Jesus after this, we want you guys to see that this is real and, and, um, then we’re gonna, we’ll go into it and we’ll look at Jesus’s stuff after. But let’s talk about Whitney first. We’re all familiar with Whitney Horning. Right.
[1:22:33] Taylor: Whitney Horning is a friend that we all have in common. Um, hi, Whitney. Love you together.
[1:22:40] Michelle: Yeah.
[1:22:41] Brian: Um, you have some interesting star alignments. Like, we’ve done some work on Joseph and trying to figure out Joseph Smith stars and, um, Whitney Horning has some similar star alignments to her personality that Joseph Smith has. She has like a similar wiring if that makes sense. So, and it’s interesting that she felt led to read, to write a book on Joseph Smith when she has like kind of a construct similar to him and, and like to her, if you asked her, hey, how would you like to be with two men and, and she’d be like, that’s disgusting, right?
[1:23:15] Michelle: Like, like,
[1:23:17] Brian: but that’s her personality. But that was actually Joseph Smith’s personality too. So like Gemini rising both of them and uh she has some interesting alignments. She has uh Jupiter in Scorpio and her Scorpio is in the sixth house which is Virgo. So she brings in Scorpio is like a sexual energy and it, and it brings in the virgin, the clean energy, but her stars were retrograding. Jupiter is retrograding to Scorpio, meaning she’s taking the inappropriate like sex out like
[1:23:51] Taylor: that into English for just a moment. Um Whitney, what Paul is saying about you is that uh the stars reflect someone who is pure uh chaste virtuous and, and wants those things kept within all of the appropriate boundaries of, of a marriage relationship that is committed. And a, like, that’s what her say about her and what Joseph says about him. Yeah. He
[1:24:16] Brian: doesn’t have those exact, um, Jupiters. But she can, they have similar personality view where they would, they would want. But the Jupiter is the blessing. We want to stress that your Jupiter is your blessing. It’s what you, what you bring to the world and she’s actually doing that. You’ve seen that over the course of her life and her stars show that. So
[1:24:35] Michelle: I’m wondering, OK, that’s I’m, I’m wondering, I was, I was thinking maybe I should get Whitney on the phone and let her verify for this. I hate to surprise her with it. I’ll see if she responds to my text.
[1:24:50] Brian: That was mainly what I wanted to forget about it. She does also have Saturn and Pisces and it shows that the idea of she, she’s gonna, she’s given the omen of taking away people’s illusions. It’s one way that could be
[1:25:02] Taylor: for her. It’s Saturn and 12th House and Taurus for her as well.
[1:25:07] Brian: So,
[1:25:09] Taylor: and uh which is Pisces, we might want to edit this part out. Just she has Saturn and Mars together. I remember. So II I don’t think I would like to be around her when she’s angry. Maybe that’s a question I should ask like her husband or something or maybe if you want to tell me she’s like what she’s saying. OK,
[1:25:30] Michelle: she, she never gets angry. Ok, so she, ok. Well, do you know what, even if that’s true, she, well, even if that’s true, she’s passionate about what she believes and what she thinks is right. And I can appreciate that.
[1:25:42] Taylor: I love that about her. Absolutely.
[1:25:45] Brian: So your stars um Liber Ri, like that’s the same as my wife. So I feel like even though we haven’t met in person, I’m probably gonna get you because you’re gonna wanna bring balance to everything, right? As, as far as like a person, a personality. But what I wanna focus on is you have Jupiter in Aries and what house is that in? Is, is there Jupiter in uh seven, Jupiter is in the seventh house? That’s interesting because um Jupiter brings in areas can bring war, can bring, it could be mean that you have the blessing to bring the fight out, right? But it also idea that you could be blessed to be noticed as a person if you notice how big your channel is growing. Um You’ve kind of came as like a Provent person like Aries is the I am. Your your yourself has kind of been in the spotlight and your stars kind of show that Omen, right? And in the Seventh House, it brings in the expansion of balance. It’s, it’s the opposite of polygamy. It’s it’s bringing balance, it’s bringing the companion, the partner and bringing everything into balance like your stars show this like four, you like you’re for ordained for this, like you’re doing what your own show that, that you’ll do what you’ll bring.
[1:27:05] Taylor: Another one that, that stands out to me is uh Moon in Scorpio. That, that theme suggests you would prefer the ugly truth to a comforting lie every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Like no matter how ugly the truth is, like, that’s what you want. Not the ignorance is bliss. Put the blinders on. Um And then I also see, can I talk about Saturn and Cancer
[1:27:32] Brian: lightly? We’ll be, we’ll try to tread carefully because this is about your, like, your struggles, your challenges,
[1:27:38] Taylor: um Satur and Cancer and this
[1:27:40] Michelle: is what you just said. I like the ugly truth. So go for it. Ok.
[1:27:45] Taylor: I mean, I, I, I’ll tread carefully and then if you want to talk more about it off air or not at all, like, that’s totally up to you. Uh, that, that suggests some challenges and trials related to uh to motherhood and childbearing. Um, but I’ll, I’ll leave that to, uh we can talk about it or not. That’s totally up to you. I know that’s, that those themes can be really, really sensitive.
[1:28:10] Michelle: They are. But I will tell you, um, ah, I’m sorry. Um, ah, it’s, it’s interesting because a lot of what you’re saying. So, so I’m gonna back up to a couple of the things you said before. I, um for years and years and years have known there were things I was supposed to do. I, I knew I was supposed to speak and write to do things that I felt like God wanted me to do and then I had this huge family. Right. And so I always kind of struggled and like, how am I supposed to? Like, I, it was painful to not be doing what I felt like I was supposed to be doing in that area, but I was doing what I was supposed to be doing in the motherhood area, right? And then, um I um had really strong, profound answers to have my little 12th. And um, and, and that was a struggle for me because, well, for so many reasons, you know, but, um anyway, and so when we lost her, I was so, um I felt like God was so cruel, right? Because how could you tell me to do this and make me think it, you know, and then take her away, right? And then same story with my number. I, I had some, an some profound answers with my 12th, but then my 13th, I was told to have her and the same story. And both times I had to like go to the depth of is God cruel, like God, who I know and who I love. Can I trust God or is he kind of this jokester that does such cruel things? Right? And so I guess the reason I’m bringing this up is because I, um, I got the answers. I was given answers both times. And with my 13th, I had been told before, I, I was just in turmoil because our last, I, like there was no fixing it. I somehow thought that if I had another baby would fix something. Do you know what I mean? Like, how can you lose your last child? And, um, anyway, I learned that that’s not. But, but anyway, it was, the Lord just told me you don’t know what you want, but I know what you want and if you trust me, I’ll give you what you want. That was exactly the answer I had for our 13th and when I conceived and it was a little girl, it actually was exactly what we wanted, you know what I wanted. And so when she was taken away, um I just felt like how could you tell me that this is not what I want, you know? And um the Lord told me so profoundly like, well, my little girls told me so profoundly that I always wanted to be their mother. They were supposed to be mine. But the Lord showed me my, my path and said this is what you want, you want to be their mother and you want to do what you are here to do, right? And so in a way, um you know, they’re part of the team on the other side of what of what we’re all trying to accomplish. So having you validate, that is actually another witness of, you know, that this was written in the stars that, that this there is purpose to all of this and somehow purpose gives you healing, purpose gives you right. Rather than having to always wonder, is God cruel, being able to see. No, this is all in God’s hands and this is all exactly what was when I say for ordained, like this is what I chose and this is what I wanted. That, does that make sense? Anyway. So I’m
[1:31:32] Taylor: actually thank you for sharing that with us. I, I confess, I don’t know you well enough to, to have already known any of that. So um
[1:31:43] Michelle: yeah, sorry to go off on, on, on that.
[1:31:46] Taylor: It’s totally OK. I have, I, I’m, I’m kind of feeling emotional about the, the prospect of losing my, my youngest two Children are twins. They’re nine months old now and the idea of losing two Children is, is weighing on me a little bit. I’m, I just need to take a breath for a second.
[1:32:07] Michelle: It’s, but it has been um anyway, that’s really interesting to um you know, that’s how I interpret what you said at least.
[1:32:14] Brian: Yeah, that’s very in line. Um I do want to bring up one other point on your chart that relates to Jesus. It says very similar alignment to Jesus and, and it’s Saturn in the 10th house AM I right. Am I reading that? Right. Yeah. Um That means also and keep in mind sometimes these things can be used where somebody picks it up and they uses it a weapon and I can see that in you a little bit. But um Saturn the Destroying Angel the 10th House is masculinity. Governance like fatherhood. It’s the idea of taking a bath and taking it to mass um toxic masculinity. Like it shows that like alignment that could draw the iron of governing people, people that don’t like their narrative dismissed. So you have
[1:33:06] Taylor: in your challenging authoritative masculine narrative
[1:33:09] Brian: and Jesus had that same alignment in his stars, which we’re going to get to.
[1:33:14] Michelle: Oh OK. So kind of the OK. OK. That’s, that’s really interesting. OK. The not, not wanting to break something but telling the truth and having it kind of threatened to break something. OK?
[1:33:29] Brian: Because it takes away the um masculine power in a way like this narrative. Like it takes this tight grip that the authorities say, hey, it’s gotta be this way and you’ve degraded that you’ve started to go through the flow of not having that act on you as much, but you’re using it like a
[1:33:48] Taylor: gift and, and Mars in general like the way you fight is, is with words, you speak, you speak the truth. And uh yeah, so we, we could spend an hour just doing, we could spend two hours.
[1:34:04] Michelle: Go ahead. OK. This is it’s so amazing. I, I guess I’m kind of overwhelmed by the amount of time. How, how long would it take to be able to gain some mastery of this so that I could look at it and know how to read it, or?
[1:34:25] Taylor: That’s a good question. How, how long was it for you be before? You felt like you had a, uh, a handle on this?
[1:34:32] Brian: Well, I keep trying to push myself to learn different aspects of it and, and yeah, I’ve spent like a decade on it. But um I really feel like that if we put classes together and we simplified it and showed them very basic things and even just in the channel, we’re using story from the Bible to show people to help them remember and associate it correctly. Like really people could be after a couple of months if they just dived into it, that would, could get pretty versed in it because they already know a lot of it. It’s so much of it’s in scripture and then there’s just a few little things that we would need to point out that would give them a foundation.
[1:35:10] Taylor: So, I mean, you, you could, you can gain a, a competence and a comfort level with it. I would say pretty quickly you can, you know, a few hours into it um over the course of like a month or two. Yeah, you could, you could look at this and, and make more sense of it.
[1:35:28] Brian: 32 hour classes series to get somebody with a
[1:35:32] Taylor: level of competence with it that you can use it. They could take off.
[1:35:36] Michelle: Ok. So it’s like everything you’re never done learning, but you can get a, get to a place of just going. Oh, ok. I get this. I can. Ok. That’s ok. This is amazing. So I could, you, I’m curious, um, I guess, I guess the question I, I’m, I’m having my tapping into the skeptical mind too. My my need to bring balance to everything. But so, so could you look at somebody? So this is just based on birth date and time, right? Like
[1:36:09] Taylor: and, and location?
[1:36:11] Michelle: Oh and location? Oh, because it’s where, where the signs are, where you’re born? OK. Because it’s all about where
[1:36:17] Brian: light is positioning itself. So yes.
[1:36:19] Michelle: Oh, so cool. OK. So if you knew those facts and if someone just said, hey, I wanna test you. Here is a birthday and time and location, tell me about this person.
[1:36:31] Taylor: Yeah, that easy,
[1:36:34] Michelle: easy. And it’s, and you feel like it’s pretty, there’s a lot of a high level of accuracy.
[1:36:40] Brian: We start guessing people what they are and I, I got people yelling at me at work. I’m like, somebody just went off and I’m like, huh?
[1:36:48] Taylor: Yeah. And, and by guessing what they are like, it’s uh it’s somebody that we know, well, we can reverse engineer this sometimes like, OK, I can look at someone I’ve known for a long time and I can say, ok, well, I know their birthday so that will tell me their sun sign pretty well. They act this way and they look this way and I can say, you know, I, I, this is one of the things he was saying about me, like I, I can do a lot of this math in my head. But I sometimes I pull out a piece of paper. Say, were you born at like 230 in the afternoon or something? And, you know, I can usually come to it if it’s somebody that I know. Well, I can, they’ll, they’ll have to go get their birth certificate and they’ll say, yeah, 234 you know,
[1:37:31] Brian: like they fall on people, most people fall into their occupations and everything by this stuff. You’ll see
[1:37:38] Taylor: what they say about what they’re going to do for you. You can
[1:37:40] Brian: start if you know the science really well, you can.
[1:37:44] Michelle: Ok. So do you go ahead? Ok. So, so what you’re doing for me right now, you know, like, like putting together mine. Do you do this for people or is this, what is this, what would be called? A, is this a psychic reading is like, what do you call, um,
[1:38:06] Brian: this would be called a natal chart. And so it’s not predicting the future as much as it is just like, it’s a mapping of the personalities and it’s like an overall, just the general life you
[1:38:17] Taylor: can think of it. Like, I mean, I, I like to explain it. You can think of it. Like your, your mental slash spiritual DNA, it doesn’t tell you what choices you’re going to make. Like you absolutely have agency and you get to choose what you’re going to do. It just kind of says like, hey, these are the things that, uh, that you’re drawn towards or things that repulse you kind of like I said a few minutes ago, you know, you prefer the ugly truth. I, I’ve got a friend who definitely prefers the uh the comforting illusion.
[1:38:51] Michelle: OK. OK. Yeah. So, so um oh, what was I gonna say? So I, I have a couple of questions. So how do you guys um explain this? I, I mean, do you just, do you think of it in terms of like God has written all of this specificity in the heavens? And that even comes down into the detail of when we are born and where we’re born, that God is, it’s kind of God’s signature everywhere in all creation or like, I guess I’m trying to give people a way to think about it or because I think some people might think, oh, because I’m born at that time in that place, I’m something like, like, you know, like, yeah,
[1:39:32] Taylor: that makes
[1:39:33] Brian: sense.
[1:39:34] Taylor: It’s like, II I think to answer that question, I would say, I, I like the first version of it where you can, you can see God is being intimately involved in the details of everything right down to when you know, a baby takes his first breath and where that’s going to be. And like, yeah, like, I certainly see it a lot that way because I, I get the, uh, I get the skeptical mind of like, Saturn is a zillion miles that way out in space. It doesn’t care about you. What on earth are you even talking about where you need to take
[1:40:07] Brian: a grain of salt analogy? I would use, how are you as a little girl? And how have you changed as an adult? Like we have there’s a huge different evolution through these signs like they, they may have an in a subject or a kind of a theme that goes along with them a certain priority if that makes sense. But ultimately, and they may have a flow. You may walk a certain way
[1:40:29] Taylor: naturally like my daughter who bounces everywhere she goes. Yeah.
[1:40:33] Brian: Fire rising. OK. Harry’s rising people are they, they sometimes get back
[1:40:38] Taylor: my daughter. If you’ve seen Winnie the Pooh Tigger, that’s, that’s my little girl. Five years old. Bounce,
[1:40:44] Brian: bounce, bounce, bounce. My little girl turning seven Aries rising does the same thing just bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce, bounce. She skips everywhere.
[1:40:52] Michelle: That’s what I’m thinking. This would be so useful just, it’s sort of like a personality test, right? The same, it serves the same purpose as like a really involved personality test to kind of just tell you about yourself or how to understand yourself or other people that can be really useful. Yeah.
[1:41:06] Brian: And we get a lot of like straw men set up with horoscopes and sun signs and sun signs that have a lot less to do with us than our rising where it says ascendant Libra like
[1:41:16] Taylor: for you. So it’s that middle section of the uh of the chart where it says, I don’t know if you can see my ma or not, that
[1:41:22] Brian: has so much more to do with the angle of the sun was at the very moment you were born of who you are more than anything else.
[1:41:31] Michelle: OK. And I’m thinking when Jesus says like God is, isn’t mindful of even this little Daisy, right? The right? Like why would God not be mindful of every soul that is born? Why is it impossible to consider that this would be written in the stars and written in anyway, I think there’s something beautiful about this. It kind of makes everything that much more profound.
[1:41:58] Taylor: Yeah, wri written into your uh like it, it’s it, you could see it, you know, potentially as, as like a description of your spirit. And so like you could see it as OK, when, when all that, when all of that happened, when all of those things came together, that’s when I was scheduled to come into, into the earth on the other side. And, you know, I, I’ve made my way in and, you know, like I say, some people will look at this and say, oh, well, I’m gonna blame it on the moon. I, you know, just
[1:42:32] Brian: it needs to be approached with balance, it needs to be not
[1:42:35] Taylor: and some people who will, who will ask for these will be like, so what do you think I should do? And I said, well, what do you want to do? Like I, I am not to become anyone psychic. I’m not going to tell anyone how to make, you know, life choices that they’re going to make based on this. Like if somebody asked my perspective on a problem that I faced, I’ll talk about that just, you know, one human to another. But uh like he and I talk about, hey, what do you do with your kids? You know, when your kids are doing XY and Z, what are you doing about that? We talk about that all the time. That’s just
[1:43:09] Michelle: like everything. There’s, there’s good and bad use of it. Like I’m thinking a really bad use of this would be a really good use would be I want to understand my kids better. And so I know how to be the best parent for them. That’s a good use. A bad use would be OK. A bad use would be I want this kind of kids So I’m going to schedule my C section to be exactly this time.
[1:43:38] Taylor: But yeah, yeah, like it’s, it’s a bit like asking the question is sex good or bad. The answer is from a certain perspective. It was the first commandment Adam Eve, you know, get done business multiply and replenish the earth or in other circumstances. It is horribly destructive of uh peace and society and it, it challenges people for generations when it’s misused. You know, you can be cursed with poverty for generations. If you
[1:44:11] Michelle: there’s, there’s great sex can go really, really wrong, right? And it can also be, yeah. So, ok, so I guess that’s what, so
[1:44:21] Taylor: is that good or bad? The answer is yes. And is this good or bad? Yes.
[1:44:26] Michelle: OK. And so that I did have that thought, forgive me for these weird questions. But does C section affect this?
[1:44:36] Taylor: My, my first child was born as a uh as an emergency C section. So
[1:44:42] Michelle: I guess, I mean, like, like if you don’t go into labor naturally, it’s still God still can write that all, all of it. Right.
[1:44:50] Taylor: Yeah, and can figure it out. I do want to point
[1:44:53] Michelle: one. I have to remind myself that we can’t mess up God’s plans. We’re not that big. So, ok, go ahead,
[1:45:00] Brian: caveat with all this though. Is um the scriptures are pretty clear. We should not rely on the arm of flesh. We should not be putting another person between us and God. Like, like can we try to have that mindset on our channel about? Everybody needs to go through their personal transformation. Everybody needs to um like find God know God on their own and this is life eternal that they might know the, the only true God and Jesus whom now I like it. That’s the point of this life. And to, and we try to educate the people on these to where they can know it for themselves. They can, they can understand the signs and the seasons. The way that in the context of the Bible says is appropriate. So and not to be that person that somebody is going to, we don’t want somebody hanging on to us. You know what I mean?
[1:45:48] Michelle: I’m
[1:45:48] Taylor: not qualified for that. So, you know, Jesus is the one that you should, you should be going and speaking of Jesus, should we move on from Michelle? Not that we don’t love you Michelle, but we move on. Do you want to talk about Jesus?
[1:45:59] Michelle: Let’s please get to Jesus. That is yes, much, much better topic. We
[1:46:04] Brian: wanted to like set a precedent that like we wanted to show that it was real for you. And we want to show that the stars were real for Jesus. So um there’s really something amazing that was happening, like when they’re setting up the ordinances, they’re, they’re doing them in replication of the heavens and, and likewise, when they put the tribes of Israel representing the, the 12 tribes of the 12 zodiacs. They’re aligning them to the zodiacs of um, what they looked like when Jesus was born because we, we know that he was the sunshine of a lamb. But what it’s doing is it’s bringing the lion to the east along with the virgin woman and, and, and we, what we’ve done to triangulate this and I’m eventually gonna probably make a video on it, but I’m still researching it. But Jesus goes out of his way over and over and over again and he associates the Samaritans over and over again with um the tribe a with the constellation Aquarius. And, and we know that the Samaritans were highly populated by Ephram. Mis and Ephram mis were the ones that rebelled against Judah and in and in the zodiac, um the lion of Judah, Leo Aquarius are the opposites. They, they, they hold the oppositional force and that’s the whole theme of Ephraim rebelling is the theme of Aquarius. It’s rebelling against the main character, Leo the
[1:47:30] Taylor: lion. And so what, and they’re, they’re opposites like literally like, uh you know, I, I if you’re looking for where the sun is, we’re talking about the end of July to August and the end of January to February, like it’s literally opposite sides of the sky.
[1:47:46] Brian: Hottest and the coldest times of the year, right? So it’s oriented laying out the Zodiac or the tribes of Israel to be in the position of the stars when Jesus was born. It’s actually truly remarkable in my opinion. And what was interesting is, is Jupiter at the time of his birth was like, like right between Virgo and Judah, like it’s between um and I’ve made a graphic of it where you can see exactly where Jupiter was like, right between Virgo and Leo. And that has some great significance because Jesus with a, a Virgo placement of Jupiter. Jupiter is your blessing. It’s what you’re incredibly good at, right?
[1:48:29] Taylor: What comes naturally and relatively easily for you, Virgo’s
[1:48:33] Brian: cleanness, holiness. It’s, it’s an archetype for healing. It’s, it rules over the house that governs healing. It means that Je Jesus was born at that time that he was gonna be imbued with the gift of healing
[1:48:47] Taylor: so much so that people could touch his body and be made whole to that point, he touched the dead and they came back to life
[1:48:56] Michelle: to that point with healing in his wings
[1:49:00] Brian: and, and, and, and that healing in his wings means Jupiter and Virgo or Jupiter in the sixth house, it could manifest either way there. Um Those scriptures are describing alignments of his birth um Just before that barely into the lion is when his birth that were where the sun would have been a um what’s rising on the horizon. What was on the horizon? What was where the eastern horizon was at? So the, the the sun was in Aries. The eastern horizon is where the the horizon was and it was barely into Leo, which this is complex stuff. I’m gonna try to make it not sound too complex, but it makes um the line of all of his houses start at Leo. And therefore it encompasses mainly the house of Virgo, meaning Ver uh Jupiter was in the first house. And what I mean by that is, it’s the other omen of his birth. It gives you two blessings at your, at your birth. We talked about your two blessings and your two cursing jesus’. Other blessing was to be in to have his body be blessed. His body was blessed with expansion. So he was a supercharged, gifted person and a gifted healer. Those were his two main gifts. And it also is a symbol that whoever partakes of his body receives expansion. Life is still
[1:50:22] Taylor: like almost like he meant that when he said that like take it, this is my body. Take this into your yourself are
[1:50:30] Brian: testifying of our ordinances and those things like that. I want to make a point out. One other thing, Pluto is aligned as much as it can be with Spiker, the seed of the woman. So that’s
[1:50:41] Taylor: uh if you can look at the graphic towards the left of it, the second like where the woman’s knees would be,
[1:50:47] Michelle: we can see his mouse, we could see the mouse move on it. Uh
[1:50:51] Taylor: I can’t see the mouse
[1:50:53] Brian: point to that one and it’s aligned with that, that’s spiker that’s called the seed of the woman. Um And so it’s an omen of like where it’s like the birthing canal. I think of it as that idea when it’s positioned at that place in the sky. And Pluto is a symbol. Now, what, what modern observers um how they view it and it’s a symbol of transformation, death and rebirth. So it’s a symbol of the one being born that would die and be reborn. So it has that o
[1:51:23] Taylor: death and resurrection.
[1:51:27] Brian: And he brings that concept to all of us too that we can be born again.
[1:51:32] Michelle: Wow. OK.
[1:51:36] Brian: And where we get in Jupiter originally in the early Hebrew language, it was a tent peg and it expands to take stakes of Zion, the idea of expansion, um the power to move
[1:51:47] Taylor: all of the graphics that look like this. These are from that book that I mentioned at the beginning and, and like I said, the first page of like 25 other books. OK. So then, then Virgo, we talked about that. We talk about Saturn. Yeah.
[1:52:04] Brian: Let’s talk about Saturn. Let’s move to Saturn. OK. This is the placement of Saturn. Um This was, there’s a scripture to this. Do we have the scripture to this?
[1:52:12] Taylor: I don’t think I have that in the nose. I
[1:52:14] Brian: might just have to quote it. OK. You’ve heard this the scripture in Isaiah. For unto us, a child is born unto us. A son is given the child in the sun. Once again is Aries. It’s the first born of the zodiac. It’s the child of the zodiac. And it’s a reference to his being born with the son under a um aligning with Aries. But once again, for unto us, as child is born unto us, a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulders. Saturn is the governing one. It’s the grand governing one, out of all the visible one that moves slowest book of Abraham is like a whatever one moves slower is the greatest, the more powerful one. And it, it is what brings everybody to their knees, it rolls over Capricorn and Capricorn is the knees of the zodiac. But it’s interesting that it said the government shall be upon his shoulder, the shoulder of the zodiac. We showed you a graphic where they’re all lined on the parts of the body is Taurus. Taurus rolls over the neck and the shoulder area. So to lay Saturn on that means that he takes the curse of Saturn on to aligns with the constellation Taurus. And, and that curse, what it means is, it’s the curses of the riches of the earth. It means he’s not to receive the riches um on that large scale, like things would happen to him like being born into a manger, right? It’s that kind of means or it means that
[1:53:40] Taylor: man has not a place to lay his head,
[1:53:43] Michelle: kind of cursed with poverty, homelessness.
[1:53:46] Brian: And so he even had to like, do a magic trick. I’m being a brat, we had to do a magic trick and have Peter get a piece of gold for him and Peter’s taxes. Right? Like he was, didn’t have money to give, like he had to do stuff like that. Right.
[1:54:05] Michelle: So,
[1:54:06] Brian: but that flips into the 10th house the same way yours does, which is the idea of angering governing bodies. And that truly happened in his life. But it’s also the curse of the father. It’s like it can manifest and mean that you could have a bad father or not have a father there or like what likely happened, Joseph, who was his caretaker wasn’t talked about at the end of his life and he bowed out early. So those type of themes are all throughout jesus’ life and that’s what a star show and his birth.
[1:54:38] Michelle: Wow. Ok. Wow. So a lot of this comes from Isaiah, meaning Isaiah either understood exactly what he was talking about in this deeper sense and, and meaning he studied the signs in the heavens or he was just inspired to write what he wrote, not even knowing the full implications either way. Right.
[1:55:03] Taylor: Well, and, and uh you know, we, we think it’s all flowery nice language mostly because songs have been made of it and I won’t torture your audience by attempting to sing it from the Messiah. But uh you know, like we’ve, we’ve thought of it that way for so long, but every word was chosen with care by Isaiah. I think he’s, he’s that kind of guy that he wants to convey, but he’s trying to convey something much bigger than himself and he’s limited by human language to try to convey it. And this is what has has been transmitted to us across generations and time.
[1:55:38] Brian: Yeah. Isaiah does heavily draw off of the star constellations as well as the Book of Revelation, like when he’s talking about making your arrow sharp and it’s refining your sciences and your religions getting more sharp with those things because that’s the Sagittarius, the arrow of the bone and you know, like it is just filled with that stuff.
[1:56:00] Michelle: OK.
[1:56:01] Taylor: So it out we do the teaser for Joseph Smith. Yeah,
[1:56:05] Brian: we want to tease you about possibly doing a Joseph Smith one time sometimes.
[1:56:09] Michelle: OK. OK.
[1:56:12] Taylor: No. OK. So this is uh this is Leviticus chapter 16. Uh before I go into this, you know, we, we’ve got to go up on here, we’ve talked about goats and the association with the sign of Capricorn. Um We all, I guess some people would be forgiven for not remembering necessarily that Joseph Smith’s birth uh was on December 23rd. OK. Which in that year was the day after the winter solstice. So the day that light begins to return to the earth. That’s a very fitting omen for Joseph Smith to be born under. Um And so Leviticus 16, uh the way this is, you know, everything in the ordinances is playing out what’s, what’s in the stars and what’s in, what’s in the sky and what’s in the people that are, that are called by God in ordain to do something. Uh He is to cast lots for two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other for the scapegoat. Aaron shall bring the goat whose lot falls to the Lord and sacrifice it for a sin offering. But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord to be used for making atonement by sending it into the wilderness as a scapegoat.
[1:57:27] Brian: So Joseph being born under the sign of the goat was blamed for everything and killed.
[1:57:33] Taylor: He got blamed for everything.
[1:57:35] Brian: And then the other
[1:57:36] Taylor: one laden with sins went into the wilderness to inhabit a place called Utah.
[1:57:47] Brian: Stars are giving allegories and prophesying off the stars and giving us a narration of our history.
[1:57:54] Michelle: Wow. Ok. That’s amazing. And yeah, that scapegoating continued even after his death. It’s continuing to this day. Ok. We’re still,
[1:58:05] Brian: we’re still blaming the goat. He was born on the sign of
[1:58:08] Taylor: the Yeah, we still blame him for the sins and he still, you know, even though he sacrificed he and it was and was killed and lost his life. The one that went into the wilderness laden with sins.
[1:58:21] Brian: And it’s not the only Jewish prophet Jewish ritual that was actually a prophecy. I mean, we had the high priest that was only the only one allowed to kill the lamb over and over and over again. And then Caiaphas, the high priest is the driving force between and killing. Having Jesus killed, like,
[1:58:41] Michelle: once again and prophesying of that in the power of his office. Amazingly. Right.
[1:58:47] Taylor: Yeah. Kind of on the nose, isn’t it? Yeah.
[1:58:50] Michelle: Kind of. Ok. Wow.
[1:58:54] Brian: We touched on this a little bit. But
[1:58:56] Taylor: so back to that revelations 12 sign. Ok. So this is the woman clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet and she brought forth a man child or a young man who was to rule or teach all nations with a rod of iron or the word of God and her child was caught up unto God and to his throne. Yeah, that sounds like a description of a guy that we know as Joseph Smith
[1:59:25] Brian: and the alignment that it connects to in that prophecy, which we’ll get into more detail. But that was happened the same day that jos have got the gold plates.
[1:59:38] Taylor: That, that’s our key for an episode on Joseph Smith. If you should so choose to invite us back to do that.
[1:59:43] Michelle: Ok. Ok. Everybody please vote yay or nay up or down. I know what my vote is. Yeah, let us know, go ahead and comment and, and tell us if we want. Um, I would be amazed if people don’t want a Joseph Smith episode. So we should just plan it. But I’m gonna let people weigh in.
[2:00:03] Brian: So one little like, teaser warning more is it doesn’t just talk about the star signs of the prophets, but sometimes give star signs of the anti-christ too.
[2:00:16] Taylor: Oh, yeah. Yeah. That could be pretty triggering for some people.
[2:00:20] Michelle: But you know what, I actually feel like it’s terribly important in so many ways. Like to be able to, I don’t know, it can always go awry, but to be able to be more educated in being more empowered, to be able to identify things that are happening in our day is good, right? That’s a good thing. That was amazing. I am so I, I am like overwhelmed and mostly I’m just like I need to go learn about this so that I can understand it and see it better. So I’m really excited to delve more into your channel. I’ve just, I’ve been so busy with what I’ve been doing. I’ve only watched the videos you’ve sent me, but I give them two thumbs up. Like I really do recommend the work the work these guys are doing and your team I want to know this is new to me is you call it, did you call it Astro theology? Is that, is that the term Yeah. Is this, are you guys kind of like how many Mormon Astro theological specialists are there in the world? Is this kind of your thing? I don’t
[2:01:24] Brian: think there’s a lot. In fact, I think there’s
[2:01:26] Taylor: five of us.
[2:01:27] Michelle: Ok. That’s what I was wondering.
[2:01:29] Brian: I think that our, our channel actually has more of a Christian theme. We’re not, we don’t, we’re not pushing Mormonism but we stay to more Christianity and try to, we have like a bigger tent. Um But it’s kind of rare there’s other astro theologist out there and that they’re almost more of the atheist thought where they, they don’t necessarily believe in Jesus. They, but they see the Bible, for example, is the greatest book ever written. They see it as like a book that’s expounding on science and it’s absolutely true symbolically and walking us through the planets. But that’s where we may diff a lot of us may differ is that we’re like, oh no, it’s just stuff pointing at Jesus like Jesus is true too. And we have that, that those lenses of seeing multiple layers of truth, not just that it’s walking us through um the cosmos. Like for example, with when the Son of God rises with healing in its wings, they, they see that as a allegory that the sun is going to come back in the cosmos and it’s gonna rise with healing in its wings and it becomes spring again and life’s gonna grow again. So they see it more that way where, where some it depends on, but people have their beliefs and they’re projecting, we’re all projecting, we’re all projecting. I project Jesus. Um Taylor projects Jesus. And um some people would be like, oh, that’s the planet Sun. It’s gonna rise again.
[2:02:54] Michelle: Yeah. Ok. Well, I totally hear. So it sounds to me like we better have you back for the Joseph episode because that’s not yet that’s not available on your channel, right? And so we were gonna say, yeah, ok, that’s gonna be fabulous. I, I hope well, if you guys would be able to um be active in the comments so people can ask questions and you can provide more. I’m assuming there will be a lot of questions and um maybe requests and yeah, so that would be great. So go ahead. They’re, they’re going to be willing to respond to any questions or insights that people have. That would be fabulous because I’m not equipped to answer people’s questions on these topics yet. I’m a complete novice but man, this was awesome. I loved it.
[2:03:37] Taylor: So what did someone tell us in our comment section today that we were demons from hell?
[2:03:43] Michelle: Oh yeah, we,
[2:03:44] Taylor: we, we sometimes trigger people in comments. So, you know, we, we welcome that too because you know, I I
[2:03:52] Michelle: I’m definitely called a wicked woman by a couple of people in particular. So it’s always, it’s always fun. You gotta have all, all of the fun, right? Yeah. Yeah,
[2:04:00] Taylor: I, I just embrace it. I say thank you, thank you very much.
[2:04:04] Michelle: That’s good. So anyway, is there anything you guys wanna say before we wrap up?
[2:04:11] Brian: Um We do have one more slide. I think it adds to a little, a little bit like a like a just one more fun thing. Um I just wanted people to understand like the perfection of the universe and how it’s laid out. If you look at the graphic, you have like one thing lay out and it’s a concept and then 180 degrees to the other side of the sky is the opposite concept drawn in the stars. It’s the whole idea of opposition in all things. It’s literally laid
[2:04:41] Taylor: out that way, opposition or balance, you know, the, the self and the partner earthly things and heavenly things, the father and the mother.
[2:04:51] Brian: Yeah, the the universal do all things in balance.
[2:04:57] Michelle: Well, as I’m seeing lower learning and the higher learning, it’s almost like learning by study and also by faith, right? Like we can see so many things coming through in our own, in our own scriptures
[2:05:10] Taylor: and notice, you know, lower learning and higher learning. Notice also the connection, heavenly things and earthly things like,
[2:05:17] Michelle: yes, yes,
[2:05:19] Brian: at 90 degrees, they have a connection, you have the family and one of them like the, the son, the partner’s son, the mother and the father like all. Yeah, it is like divinely organized. This is
[2:05:34] Michelle: so this is amazing. So really what studying this does is give you more ah more appreciation for the creations of God,
[2:05:45] Taylor: for God and his creation. Definitely.
[2:05:49] Michelle: OK. That’s, this is incredible. So, thank you guys so much for bringing this to us. I, I hope, oh my goodness, it was, it was my treat. It was my pleasure. So I hope everybody has a beautiful Christmas. This is on Christmas Eve. I believe that you’re seeing this and, and the day after Joseph Smith’s birthday and my little girl’s birthday. So my little girl’s turning 13 on Joseph Smith’s birthday. So anyway, what day, what day was the solstice? I know what day will the solstice be?
[2:06:19] Taylor: Uh this year it is the 22nd. So this year the day after is the 23rd just like the year Joseph Smith was born. It’s
[2:06:29] Michelle: perfect. So, so right after the solstice into Christmas, the light is returning and I wish everybody a beautiful Christmas. I will see you next time. Merry
[2:06:38] Taylor: Christmas. Bye.
[2:06:41] Michelle: Wow. Right. Wasn’t that great. I loved it, as I said, and I am looking forward to talking to these people again about these topics. I’m thinking that um it would be great to be able to meet more of their team especially have Angela on. She’s the first one I connected with. So I think that this is, I don’t know, I, I don’t know what you all think of this. But to me, I, I just, I love how mu how many ways there are to find truth and how much there is to learn. I just love knowing that I can keep learning forever. I will never know all of it. I will never know everything in every area, right? So this is a brand new one for me. I I should say brand new but to really delve into it is brand new for me to start to try to learn what this is all of. But um Brian and Taylor stayed on afterward to talk to me more about some of these things. I am so excited to have them come on and talk about Joseph Smith and we’re gonna, we’re going to get that scheduled. Well, I guess I said, let us know, I hope you guys are interested because I certainly am why I want to talk to them about it anyway. So let me know if you’re interested in having an episode on it. But anyway, thank you so much for being here with me on this journey for tuning into these episodes. I appreciate it so much. It means so much to me to know that people are finding value in this journey that we are all on together. And I just wish you the happiest of holidays and I hope that we can all continue to grow in truth and in light and in love and I am so thankful for our savior and our opportunity to remember him every single day. So thank you and I will see you next time.
