112: What’s Written in the Stars – The Ancient Cosmic Clock

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[00:00] Michelle: Welcome to 132 problems revisiting Mormon polygamy where we explore the scriptural theological and historical case for Mormon plural marriage. I am here again in this episode with my friends, Brian and Taylor and my new friend Angela from ancient cosmic clock, where they are going to bring us a lot more insight of what’s written in the stars regarding specific things about Joseph Smith and there’s some bonus content that you are not going to want to miss. So I’m really excited about this episode. I do want to clarify this episode is not core to what I discussed on this channel. For anyone new to this channel, please. As I always recommend, consider listening to these episodes from the beginning or at least going through and get um following which ones look interesting to you to understand the grounding in the scriptures that we have already gone over and the grounding and history that we have been going over this past year. But Brian and Taylor had offered in our last episode to do this work and bring it to us. And I think a lot of people were really excited about it. I also want to remind people to please um remember the website, 132problems.org. It’s a great tool for research to be able to search the transcript scripts, to be able to connect, ask questions a lot of different things. So um I wanted to remind everyone of that. I also wanted to say that um Brian and Taylor along with Eli Stag have been working on making shorts from this channel and they have a channel called the 132 Problems to The Point that is putting some brief clips from some of the things we’ve talked about. So that’s something fun to check out as well that gives you something to share. So without further ado, thank you for joining us as we take this really fun dive into what is written in the stars. Welcome to 132 problems. I am here again with Brian Lang Taylor child and now joining us is also Angela Nader. I am so they are from ancient cosmic clock and anyone who hasn’t watched our previous episode that I think was our Christmas episode where they um I I recommend watching that one and watching this one. This is our follow up. They came before and talked to me about the Astro about Astro theology and what is written in the stars, the eternal creation of God that cannot be erased by, by man, which is a beautiful concept. And so they before shared with me um I guess do we call it astrology? Is that a bad word? People get so freaked out by astrology. What do you guys refer to this as

[02:40] Brian Lang: well? We kind of our channels expert in more than one modality. Um Some of us study astronomy, some of us study astro theology and some of us study astrology and the differences between them as astronomy is understanding, it’s the planet’s movements like the science, the math behind it. Astrology is when you are learning to read them and, and you’ve associated meaning to them. And then Astro theology is probably better defined by Angela. How would you define Astro theology?

[03:11] Angela Nalder: Astro theology is just seeing the stars in all of the theologies? It doesn’t matter what it is, whether it’s Muslim Christian, anything you can see how the ancients use the stars to help them write basically.

[03:25] Michelle: Perfect. OK. So, so, yeah, Brian and Taylor came. I thank you for that definition, Angela and shared with us the Astro Theology of Jesus Christ and Jesus’s birth and what we could learn and they very strategically floated the idea of returning to do the same thing regarding Joseph Smith. And there was resounding a resounding response that people absolutely wanted to hear what they were going to share in that regard. So I think that’s what we’re here to do today. Is that right? You guys?

[03:57] Taylor Child: Yeah. Yeah, I’m looking forward to it.

[03:59] Brian Lang: We’re gonna lay a foundation first, especially Angela So to where we can dive into the scriptures, their narrative along with the decoding it through the cosmos and using our cosmic knowledge to interpret those things. So,

[04:13] Taylor Child: but I promise you it will be worth the, the juice is worth the squeeze as they say,

[04:17] Michelle: OK, I’m so excited. So again, your, your channel is called ancient cosmic clock. It will be linked below. And they, I just watched the video that they’ve released recently about the coming times and what the stars can help us understand. And I not that not that it’s a thing to like, I think like not to try to fortune tell or tell our future or anything like that. But it is useful to alleviate fear and to give some hope and guidance and direction and, and anyway, I find it to be a useful tool to add to our, I guess to our arsenal of ways to connect to truth. And so I really appreciate what you guys do. I think it’s valuable and I encourage people to check it out if they feel so inspired. So anything else you

[05:05] Taylor Child: and if you don’t feel so inspired, you know, no hard feelings, like it’s not for everybody, folks. That’s cool.

[05:12] Angela Nalder: I just, I think it’s for everybody. I think everyone should listen. It’s very important.

[05:20] Michelle: It excellent. Well, I can say I have really enjoyed, I, I have a very open personality so I like to investigate new things, but I definitely. I, I tend to think if anyone, I said this all last time as well but if anyone, um, feels like, oh, that’s evil, get that away. Like that natural defensiveness, I really have come to believe so strongly. That’s not how God operates. I rarely see God operate through defensiveness and fear and having our anger, not, not to say that there aren’t bad ideas out there that we need to, um, con, con con um what, what I contend against, although I don’t like

[05:59] Taylor Child: intention but kind of viscerally reject. Like, yeah, if somebody feels like um this is getting into that space for them, then seriously like no hard feelings like it may not be for you just yet and you’ll get there when you get there.

[06:19] Michelle: The point I always like to go to is God has not given us the spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind. And that means that if there are bad ideas, we can engage with them and then oppose them based on our logic, our inspiration are right. And so I just wanted to propose that that that’s not always a good way to, to approach things. It’s better to try to gain an understanding and make a decision about what’s good about it, what’s bad about it. And if there is something bad about it, then you’ll have an informed way to ex express that rather than just fear. So that’s my invitation and you guys feel free to add anything you would like to.

[06:55] Brian Lang: Oh, just that sometimes the people that are most resistant usually become the biggest fans of it later. So it’s kind of fun. It’s fun to watch.

[07:02] Angela Nalder: That was me.

[07:03] Michelle: Ok. So you can relate. Ok. Well, should I go ahead and add your slide show

[07:10] Taylor Child: up the screen share?

[07:13] Angela Nalder: Ok. So along with that, that, that fear that people have, that’s kind of what I want to go into to help those understand that when they see a zodiacal wheel, um what they’re actually just seeing is the path that the sun follows. So it’s based on nature, it’s based on what God has created and to help people feel comfortable. I’m gonna start with my latter day, same background and how I started to be like, what’s with the stars, what, what’s going on? And that starts here with this beautiful picture we see of the Salt Lake City Temple that has uh the asterism of the big dipper on it. So if

[07:54] Taylor Child: you look right where my mouse is,

[07:57] Michelle: you notice that you haven’t. Oh

[08:04] Angela Nalder: Yeah. So that is what really sparked my interest and I noticed moons and stars and things like that on the temple and I was like, go ahead,

[08:16] Brian Lang: I’m just

[08:17] Angela Nalder: pointing out the stars. Oh Yeah, yeah. So they’re everywhere. And so that sparked my curiosity. What, why would God put this on his temple? What am I supposed to learn from this. So

[08:31] Michelle: now we know, do we know who added that to the temple? Was that in the original drawings by um Truman Angel or do you know,

[08:40] Angela Nalder: I don’t know if it was on the original drawing or not? I know that this the there was, was a drawing that had Saturn on it. There was a drawing that had the sun on it. I’ve seen a couple of different sketches, but as for the, the big dipper, I’m not sure.

[08:58] Michelle: I’m sorry. What did you say Taylor? I

[09:00] Taylor Child: was saying that’s about my pay grade. I don’t know

[09:04] Michelle: about it, but I again want to clarify that. What you’re doing, the scripture that might come to mind for some people is worshiping the creation instead of the creator. And I don’t think that’s what you guys are doing at all. You are using the creation in order to better understand and better worship the creator. Is that, is that?

[09:25] Angela Nalder: Oh yeah, that’s a good, that’s a good thing to know that that’s a concern to people because I can cover that. So, so what I started to notice, I’ll go um I’ll talk about that in a minute. But with the, with the Mormon temple, I just wondered, why do we, why do we have that? Well, that asterism points to the North Star and there’s just this idea of like keeping your focus on getting back to God, getting back to Heavenly Father you know, staying upright, um staying on the straight and narrow path, guiding to the right place. Um So that’s kind of what spurred my interest. And then I also started noticing other things in the temple like um the beehive. And I was like, well, how is the beehive and why are there stars? Like I understood that the industry aspect of it. But from what I learned in the temple is that God speak to us in signs and symbols. And even in psychology, signs and symbols are really important way to spark things like in our subconscious mind, spiritual aspects. However, you want to look at it. So what I found interestingly is that the beehive is actually also in the stars. It’s in the constellation of cancer called it’s called recipe and that’s actually called the beehive cluster. And right next to that is Gemini where um the big dipper is actually located. So it just all started to kind of line up. So that that’s kind of where my journey and what are, what is this about? Well, it was about nature and it was about God teaching me about Him through nature, not to replace him, not to worship nature, but there are aspects in nature that will teach me about God,

[11:31] Michelle: love it as we spoke about before. It really does increase your reverence for the incredible, just perfection of creation, right? And I mean, it helps us see more elements and aspects of how Great God is.

[11:47] Angela Nalder: Yes. Then I started to notice pretty much everything that was with within the temple was also in the stars. So you can see in Norma on the left side of the screen that there’s actually a carpenter square there. Um And you can see in Cerus Cirino, I’m not sure. Um but that is um like a compass or square, there’s the, the triangle there. Just you have pretty much anything that you want to find scripturally or even in the, I think it’s called like Brim, my faith or whatever. Even if you don’t approve, you’ll be able to see the aspects of it. And I think that’s important just because it’s gonna help, no matter what you follow or what you do, it’s gonna help you make sense of

[12:34] Brian Lang: things. Even if Joseph Smith didn’t touch anything with the modern day LDS Temples. It still has ancient origins even without Joseph. So just something to consider.

[12:45] Michelle: And I don’t think, I don’t think it can be said definitively one way or the other. I just wanted to draw, you know, like, like let people know that these meanings. I, you’re correct that even if it was purely not Joseph, which I, I’m not convinced of um the, even the ancient Masonic portions of it or the uh the different parts of it, there are these ancient mystery traditions that go throughout time that I think are interesting to consider.

[13:13] Taylor Child: Yeah. Yeah. And and these basic tools like a compass and a square, like you would need those to construct anything like no matter what language you speak, what year it is, what culture you’re part of. Like these are essentials for building stuff. So it’s kind of a a universal element like you need a square that is, that is exact, that is precise. And you need a compass to make those kinds of measurements and to construct the the shapes and the angles and the stuff that can, that can bear weight and, and hold things up. So there it’s kind of universal language and tools uh that, you know, I think it was a Freemason actually who told me that and I thought that’s a good idea. I’m gonna hold on to that.

[13:57] Michelle: Oh That’s really cool. OK.

[14:00] Taylor Child: So

[14:01] Angela Nalder: OK, so now this is a really old map that um a friend of mine showed me that I really love and the reason I love it is because you can see the apparent path of the sun through it. So up at the top is the tropic of cancer and then down to the bottom is the tropic of Capricorn. And within that you see kind of this s curve within that, that is the path that the sun takes or appears to take across the sky. Now, here’s where the thought about Jesus Christ and his obedience comes in. The son is a perfect representation of Christ’s obedience. He never ever strayed from the path that his father set and the sun is the exact same way. That is the only one that can write ascend. There’s no other right ascender. Uh That’s why the Egyptians called him raw. Um This course is predictable, dependable year after year. In fact, it creates our year, it creates our day. Um, and something called the Great Year. But so if we look at the map, there’s a few points that are really important. If you want to be able to understand the cosmos or even nature in the skies, there’s a few points, we have to be really aware of those points are March 21st, which you can see there with a little glyph of Aries. The glyphs are in astrology, just kind of like instead of writing out Aries, we’re just gonna put a little mark there to say that that this is Aries. So, so the nature is kind of the language. And then then as Astron astronomy is also a language, astrology is part of the language. It’s all actually just one language. OK? They all tie in together. So March 21st and then up at the very top where he won’t stray Behi beyond cancer. That’s like June 21st. And then in the middle there, that is September 21st. That’s where the sun begins to descend below the ecliptic. And then the other point is December 21st. That’s where we have all the Christmas holidays and everything. That’s midwinter. The reason these points are so important, you’ll find that all of our religious holidays are associated along this sine wave. So in, uh at, um, March 21st, we have the Jewish Passover and we also have Easter and it’s called the Passover because you can see that the sun actually literally passes over that ecliptic line. It’s coming out of the darkness, springing into winter. That’s the spring months. OK? And then when it gets to midsummer, that’s where we have Fourth of July and all of these other holidays. And then as it dece starts to descend down again to September 21st, there’s other holidays there that I think we’re gonna talk about later. Yeah, we’re gonna go into, we’re gonna talk about that later. OK? But keep in mind those four cardinal cardinal points, they’re really, really essential because they’re used in the scriptures all over the place. Most of the scriptures, the writers will start their writing. They will use those cardinal points as a beginning point for their gospel, every single one of them.

[17:36] Michelle: Ok. Oh, interesting.

[17:39] Brian Lang: It’s, it’s, everything is built upon the cross. The cross is a much even older thing than when Jesus got hung on it. Like

[17:46] Angela Nalder: so yes. So here’s another cross

[17:50] Michelle: symbolizes it brings additional meaning to itself pre existent meaning which can help us understand why Jesus was hung on a cross because of the meeting. It already brought OK. And OK. Cool.

[18:03] Angela Nalder: Yes. So thi this is for those that might be a little bit hesitant about um astrology. OK. This is just an old map. This, these are called Gores. This is how they used to separate um, the path of the sun basically into 30 degree segments. So there’s 1230 degree segments. And again, you can see the sun’s apparent path going, going through that they took those 12 and then they’re showing like in one, in one gory goes through Aries, the next through Taurus, the next through Gemini, the next through cancer. And this is a linear graph of what the zodiac is. The zodiac is just a circular graph of this, the path of the sun. So see, you can see how this is showing 30 degree increments through the spring up to the, the stomach is not.

[19:03] Brian Lang: So if you notice that they’re all divided up into inheritances, equal inheritances. And uh and it begins with um the consolation a which is the first house. And that’s a symbol of what the lamb of God. It’s with Jesus Christ, the lamb of God that all the inheritances start to get divided up.

[19:25] Michelle: Yep. OK. So I’m gonna ask you my kind of basic question to make sure. So from our perspective, how this looks for us is how the sun is further south in the sky or further north in the sky as it crosses our path.

[19:38] Taylor Child: When we say the path of the sun, we mean like the path that traverses over the course of a year. So you’d have to be really committed to like observing the whole thing yourself, like, get up every morning and every sunrise for a year kind of thing.

[19:51] Michelle: And so, and then it’s also like the um different star clusters or zodiac signs that it would be. And based on where it is from our perspective is that kind of what determines the house sits in or the OK. I just wanted to make sure that this was clear for everyone that they, that we all understand what we’re talking about. All right.

[20:11] Brian Lang: Yes, but it’s a little more nuanced than that. There’s different modalities that view it different ways, but yes,

[20:17] Taylor Child: sufficiently like we had to keep it. Uh This is not a, this is not a seven hour course. This is a short list.

[20:27] Angela Nalder: Yeah. So this, so one thing I want people to understand is that the, the ancient saw the sun as in these different segments as a different vessel and with each vessel, it kind of took on a different personality or a different energy. So in Aries, he’d be the lamb of God, you know, um in Gemini, a twin in cancer, cancer was also um scarab. And you hear Jesus being called a scarab. Leo would be Leo of the tribe of Judah, you know, the lion of the tribe of Judah. Thank you. Um So but you can go, you know, across all of them and see these different aspects of the sun throughout the entire zodiac. And they considered it like an archetype of how they would describe the sun behaving in spring, behaving in fall, that kind of thing.

[21:19] Michelle: Ok. And we can’t leave off Virgo because that’s the virgin, which is when Christ was born. Right. So that’s an important one to include, that really should resonate with people and it goes, it continues. OK.

[21:30] Taylor Child: Do you want to talk about this

[21:31] Brian Lang: one? Um Just something a brief note um doesn’t super relate right now. But the, the, the tr is like a trinity when it comes to reading the stars, like things have more of a flow as the father, son and the Holy Ghost have a flow with each other. It, it’s considered a good, favorable aspect and um and then the other one on squares or oppositions like the whole sky is held in literal balance. It’s he held perfectly and laid out in a way where um one archetype or theme is present and then whatever is opposite, 180 degrees of that constellation in the sky is a, a constellation with its opposite, opposite themes and, and likewise in squares or in quadrants. Um If you look at it in those ways, you’ll have like the whole family laid out. For example, you have the mother on one end, 180 degrees opposite, you have the father of the zodiac and then likewise, you

[22:36] Taylor Child: have the 90 degrees opposite those you’ll have the child and the partner. So it’s, it’s, it’s all the purpose of this one is to demonstrate that there’s, there’s a balance of themes and there’s a whole like how long is that video? An hour and a half video on our channel talking about the stuff on this graphic. It’s a lot to throw at you, but just kind of a teaser, go check it out if you’re

[22:59] Michelle: interested. I did, I did love that video. It gave me AAA better understanding to be like that’s a useful video to watch because I kind of, I’m like, oh, I kind of know what they’re talking about now. So that’s a really helpful one. And um I, I know I asked you this last time, but I’m gonna ask again because I just think it’s the most fascinating question we don’t really know where this came from, right? How this was developed? Or like, we don’t understand the origin of this any more than say the origin of the story of Adam and Eve. This is just ancient knowledge. Am I it’s time

[23:32] Brian Lang: your scholars will point that it’s very heavily Babylonian. Um There’s things in the book of Abraham that gives it away that he had, they have this knowledge in the child. But ultimately, um it’s Timeless, the scriptures go off of these themes so much. And

[23:51] Michelle: so is there knowledge that’s so embedded that we have continued. It, it, it hasn’t gone away because people have found so much value in it since the beginning of

[24:03] Taylor Child: that is transmitted across thousands of years. Cultural barriers, language barriers, uh distance barriers, like it’s been something that has been important enough to people to hold on to and transmit across all of those barriers from the time of Abraham. Perhaps to before to all the way into today to transmit it perfectly. Well. No, nothing is um book of Abraham is one of my favorite sources on this kind of stuff because that’s one of those sources we have. That’s in my view pretty clean in terms of its chain of custody. If you like, uh Abraham wrote it, Joseph translated it, received the revelation, gave it to us and that’s what we have. We’ve got some reasonable confidence that we haven’t uh corrupted it the way almost everything else has been corrupted. But anyway, that’s a whole other discussion we could have about the book of

[24:54] Michelle: and like one,

[24:56] Brian Lang: one more additional answer to like how old it is like even in the Genesis chapter, one is playing off off of these themes where it says in the beginning that literally says in the original Hebrew says at the head, the head of the zodiac, the head of the ram, that’s a reference to Aries at the head God created the heavens and the earth will look at on the, on the on the, on the graphic Pisces is the heavens. Tarus is the earth at the head, you know, heavens and the earth, it’s like playing off of like right off at the start of

[25:30] Michelle: our scriptures. Yeah. And I think I probably said this as well last time, but I think it’s so useful that um you guys are doing this because I think in our modern time, we tend to have much less reference for the heavens than they would have had pre electricity, right? This was your light source and you were so intimate aware with the the um stars, the plan, you know, the signs in the heavens that this would resonate a lot more naturally than it does. Maybe in our time when we just don’t even have to ever pay attention to the sky if we don’t want to. Right? So I think anyway, I, I want to again, invite us to recognize how um how closely associated all of our ancestors would have been with the heavenly orbs compared to us today. So

[26:18] Taylor Child: this is how, you know, when it’s time to plant, when it’s time to harvest. This is how you navigate like, you know, you, you wake

[26:25] Michelle: up when you go to bed every, every aspect of all of it.

[26:29] Taylor Child: Somehow farmers figured out how to farm without monkeying with their clocks like we did today.

[26:35] Angela Nalder: Yeah, they saw tourists rise above the horizon and they knew it was time to plow they saw Virgo with the sheath of wheat, they knew it was time to take down the wheat. They know it’s time to harvest. That’s literally, it was life and death for them. They had to know the stars, something I have to point out in order for us to understand how the scriptures kind of relate to this. So anything above the ecliptic was considered living, that’s where life is spring, summer things are green. Um Yeah. Alive. Yep. Paradise, that kind of thing. Anything below the ecliptic line after the sun falls, that’s literally why we call it fall, falls below the ecliptic line. That’s where they considered the sun to die or to go to death. Um because that’s winter, that’s where things die. So above you have um that’s where you live and below you have the opposite. If you literally reverse that, it’s evil. So to the ancients, they really saw winter is kind of like this, this evil thing because there was death involved. There was you couldn’t if you know, you can’t go out and plant in December. It’s not, it’s, it’s been cursed, you know, it’s not, it’s not gonna do any good. So that’s really important to, to understand that. Um

[27:57] Michelle: So you was it necessarily evil because that puts a value judgment on it. It’s also just contrast, right? Like Yin and Yang, like it’s, this is life, this is death. I don’t know that it would have had the emotional, this is good and this is bad

[28:09] Taylor Child: is evil. Death is part of life. It comes for all of us.

[28:14] Angela Nalder: Yes.

[28:16] Brian Lang: The word of good can comes from and has some meaning and a connection to the word abundance like to have goodly, parents would mean to have wealthy parents. So there’s certainly above, it’s good. It’s Godly, it’s abundant and below that abundance is taken away.

[28:33] Michelle: Ok. And so, but ideally we see, but ideally we see good in both sides. We see um use value. It’s not, this one is our friend and this one is our enemy. They’re just the cycles that are in. And we,

[28:47] Brian Lang: we’ve done really well bringing up the Yin Yang because it’s not all the way dark or all the way light, it has another part in it. And that, that, that was a good analogy.

[28:55] Angela Nalder: Well, this is also northern hemisphere, the southern hemisphere is experiencing the opposite, good, bad, you see. So they both exist, they both exist. So the points on the equinoxes. So that would be in Aries. And in Virgo there, those were called, those had different names in the past. They were the two trees. They were the two covenants. I think it’s important for people that want to be a covenant people to understand kind of where the beginning of covenants began. It began with nature because what is a prophet really more than to tell the coming of the sun to prepare you for the coming of the sun, the Son of God. Well, you have these covenants there in a, at that equinox that was considered like the, the covenant of works because you have to work, you have to plow, you have to work while spring and is there. And then the covenant of grace or a covenant of faith was considered that point on the equinox in the fall. So you have the covenant of works, the covenant of grace, obviously, because you’re defending your, you know, relying on faith or faith down here and then works, works in the summer, faith in the winter that the sun is going to come up and come again. So that’s literally what the prophets of old used to do

[30:26] Taylor Child: and your faith is no good without works. If you haven’t laid up in store, you know, to get you through the winter months.

[30:35] Michelle: Ok.

[30:36] Taylor Child: So that, that’s kind of laying the groundwork for how we’re gonna talk about a couple of things in the scriptures on the way to Joseph Smith and our favorite uh successor to Joseph Smith to abuse. So the

[30:47] Brian Lang: the idea is as the sun rises and the sun falls like so do the kingdoms of the Earth. So do dispensation. So does light and intelligence and, and, and we fall into the darkness like we go through these themes and the scriptures are better understood with these cosmic goggles on. And um and the reason why that is, is God has, he’s the creator of all things and he’s embedded his truth in all creation. And therefore he’s using those symbols also to in allegory in scripture. So we’re gonna look at Daniel, we’re gonna go through it really briefly just to kind of lay a groundwork of because we’ll be better understand things if we can understand the past, present and future. And as it says in the Doctrine covenants, it says, truth is a knowledge of things as they were as they are and as they will become so first kingdom and, and Daniel has a dream, he has many dreams and many visions. Um and the first kingdom, he sees a lion and the lion loses its wings, it loses its power to ascent. Um The lion is like a good symbol of the Leo constellation and the Leo constellation. One of the themes or archetypes that that encompasses is the idea of, of power and, and clearly Babylon held that power and it is, it says, and it, and it will scriptures often will give another symbol to say the same thing they repeat themselves. So if you don’t understand something, it’s best looking at the next symbol and it says that he was given a heart of a man. And if you flip back to the previous screen, the heart is Leo, also the heart is ruled by Leo. So it’s giving two different symbols for Leo, which is a symbol of like strength and power and Babylon was given power. And not only that in archaeology, um There’s a lot of lion symbols that represented Babylon and, and it’s also the kingdom that Daniel started with. It’s a clear interpretation. It fits like a glove. Let’s go back. And, and that was the Babylonian Empire that he was seeing. And the next one is the bear and the bear has three ribs in its mouth. But, but once again, the bear is also a cosmic symbol. It’s a symbol of the big Dipper Ursa Major, right? And it rises, it falls and here it rises. Taylor is gonna discourse on this here in a little bit more, but it has three ribs in its mouth, three in the original Hebrew language, um was a hieroglyph of a foot and, and think of the idea of putting it under foot. So it’s bringing in this idea of this bear, putting the lion under foot, having three ribs in its mouth for it went at its heart. It’s kind of bringing up that symbolism of as if it took three ribs and removed its power, right?

[33:43] Taylor Child: The beast like the lion has lost its wings and it’s had its heart replaced with a man, something inferior to a lion. And now the bear has put the three ribs in its mouth, it’s underfoot, it’s replaced it. Yes.

[33:56] Brian Lang: And then it’s, it’s interesting that brings up a leopard here in the sky. There’s actually two feline constellations. Um Leo Major, Leo Leo Leo Minor. And you could argue that the leopard’s Leo Minor. Um and previously the bear was Persian Empire. They, they, they’re, they are what, who came before um came after Babylon and they came before Greek, the Greek Empire. Um Leopard we would associate with uh is a clear fit to Alexander, the great one of the most written about people in history. Um He died young, some people think he was poisoned. Um But the kingdom hadn’t been set up with a successor and it, it got divided up among four generals and these like these allegories and how they overlay cosmically onto what actually happened on the earth. Are they fit like a glove? They fit better than OJ Simpson’s glove. So um last of the Kingdoms, the beast was dreadful. I had iron teeth that stamps out the others with his feet. Once again, the idea of putting subduing the other kingdoms, putting them under foot being the new heir. And uh he has 10 horns. 10 is kind of an allegory for the sun. The

[35:16] Taylor Child: it’s this big beautiful uh scary monster looking fit.

[35:20] Brian Lang: Hope we depicted these accurate accurately enough for everybody. But 10 in that original hieroglyphic form was um it was a hieroglyph of the right arm, like think the right arm of power. It’s a representation of the sun. And so they were given ultimate power and they were able to subdue all the other three Kingdoms. Once again, that three, the idea of putting underfoot, um What’s interesting about all this and what I wanted to put into context is when people start to look at these scriptures and they start to interpret them, they like, freak out and they say this little horn that comes next. It’s the anti-christ and they, they name Trump and Obama and everybody that’s their political, whoever, you know, whoever you don’t like. And, and it’s like, hey, wait a second, it’s a little horn. It has a mouth, mouth is a symbol of Gemini. That’s once again, the Gemini constellation when you track it back to its origins. And it’s the idea of like a trickster, the idea and this is a theme that you’ll see reoccurring, but it’s more of somebody that’s gonna be pretending to be your friend, right? Not necessarily somebody in open war and open rebellion. So says, he’s more stout than his others and he wears out the saints and he changes times and laws and is given Dominion for a time. And it says, and I beheld the same horn made war, the saints and prevailed against them. He overtakes them. He took them over. Well, you count off the kings because it says in scripture that the 10 horns of the 10 kings and then that one came. So it’s the 11th king it’s talking about that’s Constantine. He put together a council of nice and I hate to break it to everybody, but he deceived the whole world. It already happened, like he came up and re changed the nature of God. And oftentimes Mormonism sees outside to Christianity and they see how corrupt they are. They’re seeing the fingerprints of an anti-christ. Yes, these things can come and repeat again. But the idea is, is like light comes and then it gets taken away. They go into the wilderness. So kind

[37:28] Taylor Child: of what we’re, what we’re suggesting from this interpretation of Daniel Seven is like most of that stuff has already happened and it’s written in the history and if you look at it that way, it fits better than OJ Simpson’s, but better than OJ Simpson’s Club. I promise I wouldn’t do too many fun,

[37:47] Brian Lang: stop promising.

[37:48] Michelle: Hey, that’s really, that’s really cool. So, so the more we can, this gives us just additional tools to help us understand these rather um potentially obscure portions of scripture. And so I guess it’s the, the question is like, was Daniel prophesying of this exact time period that you’re talking about with Constantine or is Daniel? Daniel revealing a pattern that humanity falls into? And that’s one time it played out and there are other times it plays out.

[38:21] Brian Lang: Ok.

[38:22] Taylor Child: Yes. Is the answer to that question?

[38:24] Michelle: OK, great. OK. So it still is applicable in different ways, but we can see, we can see patterns. OK. Great.

[38:34] Brian Lang: And we’ve got some graphics here kind of depicting the bears in the sky, which we kind of touched on.

[38:39] Taylor Child: Yes, we talked about the bears. You mentioned Gemini is the trickster archetype

[38:45] Brian Lang: and how it relates to the mouth. Venus. You gonna tell us about Venus, Cinderella. So 11 thing before you start, one thing before we start um before I turned over to Taylor, um it was told to me from a Hebrew friend. He says, you don’t realize that uh when Jesus was on earth and you would hear these like parables, he goes, Jesus wasn’t making all those up. A lot of times he was telling, um, people stories that were known fairy tales, known Children stories and he would be answering people’s heated gospel discussion debates with fairy tales. So we’re gonna do the same thing because it was as if Jesus said Humpty Dumpty set on a wall and that’s how he gave an answer. So we’re gonna do the same thing to you guys. And why

[39:32] Michelle: would you even think of like a, a fables as well? Like I’m thinking that they were because even the fairy tales had purpose behind them had meaning behind them. Ok.

[39:41] Taylor Child: And if you just, if you read the gospels, you know, this is, this is the time of year when I spend, I tend to read the gospels a little more in the spring time, you know, Resurrection Easter, um, con consider how often a question is posed to Jesus. Ok. It’s OK. Jesus like, iii, I have this image in my mind of like a guy posing a gotcha question. All right, Jesus, you said love God, love your neighbor, who’s my neighbor? Well, a certain man went down from Jericho to Jerusalem and the whole, like he tells him this whole story and it’s like, you know what to your point, these stories weren’t like, and then what happened and then like they were, they were familiar. Um

[40:21] Michelle: OK. OK. Interesting. I haven’t heard that. That’s interesting.

[40:25] Taylor Child: And so, you know, I’m, I’m gonna use the Cinderella story a little bit. This is uh all of these graphics were created by our friend Brian over here. So I’m gonna

[40:34] Michelle: give him credit for big

[40:35] Taylor Child: beautiful graphics and the Cinderella story. You know, we’re all familiar with it. This, this ordinary girl grows up with this horrible abusive family that’s not really her family and she finds a substitute family in the prince. Um She’s identified by her feet and, and there’s a lot of it related to, you know, does the slipper fit, does the a lot of stuff tied up in the slipper. And, and the reason that is because this story goes all the way back to at least ancient Greek, possibly ancient Egypt.

[41:13] Michelle: I think Taylor should stop saying OJ Simpson’s glove and say it fits as well as Cinderella’s slipper.

[41:23] Taylor Child: It, it’s, it, it’s better than Cinderella slipper. But uh the theme of this story is is she’s replacing her prior family. She’s putting them under foot if you like and going off to live happily ever after with her companion where she can have a new family and a new start and a new, you know, I’m, I’m even old enough that the versions of Cinderella that I’m familiar with that I grew up with. She gets married. How often does the story does the princess and the prince get married? Which is a covenant relationship nowadays, they just say, yeah, yeah, they kissed and now they’re good. But no, they get married and you know, set aside and, and uh depart from the prior family relationship. And that’s, that’s one of the themes in the sky of both the planet Venus and the constellation Pisces. Um I’ll talk more about that

[42:24] Brian Lang: later. Yeah. So one thing to really, really know is when it’s bringing up the feet, you’re getting put under foot like the Cinderella story came from the same place. It all goes back to that Egypt, Egyptian hieroglyph of the foot which the Hebrews adopted and put into a numbering system. So we’re expounding on these so that you can understand what, what we’re going to dissect in scripture later when

[42:47] Taylor Child: I talk about the, the Revelations 12 sign, we, we teased that a little bit in our last episode at Christmas time. You know that that was one of the themes, right? A covenant body being replaced, being placed under foot and having a new covenant body. Uh, assume that, that status. And another example is the story of Little Red

[43:10] Angela Nalder: Riding Hood. Yes. So Little Red Riding Hood. So you’ll find this very interesting. Every fairy tale, every single one of them can be found also in the path of the sun there that you were shown. They, they’re all there. Every single one of them. Um, the fairy tales were meant to teach Children about how nature works. They, they, you know, they seem to not make a lot of sense, but that’s actually what, what they were there to teach Children how to know when to plow, how to know when to seed what can happen. Um If you go out after dark and the big bad wolf comes, right? So this is kind of what little Red Riding Hood is about. So she, yeah, so she comes and she’s in this beautiful place with her mother. So that would be up above the ecliptic where things are beautiful and bright and she gets, you know, sent out and then what happens? It gets dark, right? They go into the, into the dark forest, right?

[44:12] Michelle: It’s the known and the unknown, right? The scene and the unseen, the understood and the mysterious that that,

[44:19] Brian Lang: but also when it uses into the wilderness and it’s the same story, the

[44:24] Michelle: dark Jesus goes into the wilderness

[44:29] Taylor Child: and so does

[44:31] Angela Nalder: all of them will go into the wilderness at one point. So that’s falling below the ecliptic line into fall, falling into winter. So she does that and she’s met with a wolf and I think we have a slide for the wolf. Uh Yes, there he is the wolf constellation. So this is Lupus and this is right as the sun starts to descend underneath the ecliptic L or little red riding hood in this situation. And she gets met with the wolf and she gets devoured in the darkness of night. Ok. But then eventually she works her way out. This is just a sum up version. And I think the next slide is for, um, well, I thought I had a ion at some point. This one. Yeah. Ok. So, and then we have over in um, when before the sun comes back up over the ecliptic, we have the hunter or Orion there to rescue her from the darkness of night. The wolf that it’s all astrological, it’s all about nature

[45:35] Brian Lang: and like uh little red is a symbol of, I would say Libra at large, like she’s wearing red. Creation turns red when it goes into the fall and goes into the dark forest, all the leaves

[45:46] Taylor Child: turn red.

[45:47] Brian Lang: Yeah, when grapes get ripe and they’re red and, and grape juice and wine are made from those.

[45:54] Michelle: I’m really hoping that’s Angela’s birthday with that beautiful red hair

[46:02] Brian Lang: she has, she’s a Libra rising. So she is part of that sign. That’s half of her sign.

[46:08] Michelle: Ok. That’s that’s actually funny. I was just making it and you’re lever

[46:13] Brian Lang: too and you have red hair. It’s a thing.

[46:14] Michelle: Ok. Ok. Yeah.

[46:21] Taylor Child: All right. So Daniel eight. Yeah, let’s

[46:24] Brian Lang: go. Ok. Is this you or me? I

[46:27] Taylor Child: think this one’s you. So

[46:30] Brian Lang: at large, uh the scripture are prophesying off the zodiac signs. Um I hope I don’t start too much nefarious speculation but uh the anti-christ and the prophets, the, the, the prophets were prophesying them based on their um zodiac sign. And Jesus being the lamb of God being born under the sign of Aries, right? And, and one thing to note that when we have prophecies and rituals and, and all those things that we enact, they’re foreshadowing, for example, the foreshadowing of having the high priest in the temple um kill the lamb and he’s the one that kills the lamb over and over and over again. And then the high priest Caiaphas later on has he was the driving force behind getting Jesus killed. So it was a prophecy. So we should be looking at these things when they’re bringing zodiacal animals and we should be looking at them like prophecies. And

[47:25] Michelle: OK,

[47:26] Brian Lang: so the summary is, is the ram with two horns pushes northwest and south. No beast could stand before him. The goat comes from the west with a notable horn runs on the ram and puts it under his foot. We understand what underfoot means. But look at these as dispensations don’t um like Christianity was based on two having two people come at the sign of Aries. One being Jesus, one being Peter. Peter was very stereotypical Aries on how he acted. And thus the ram has two horns, two notable horns but not just that in symbolism, Christianity at large got broken into two different sects, Catholicism, the ones that claim authority and the other one being the protest pro protestantism. But anyways, so the ram has taken on that. It’s taking on that archetype of that growing and it goes north west, south. It doesn’t really take over the east, the Asian people, right? But at large, it spreads all over the northwest south that did that. That is history. Um It says that a goat comes from the west. The goat is what puts the ram under foot, it takes its keys, it takes its dispensation, it gets, it puts the ram the dispensation of Christianity under its foot. And it’s interesting that the goat sign capricorn is the sign on which Joseph Smith was born under. It was a, a foreshadowing and a prophecy of Joseph Smith. Oh, and he, he took their keys and we’ll go Taylor, we will go to a little bit more. Began a new,

[49:04] Taylor Child: began a new dispensation

[49:06] Brian Lang: and next slide. Um So we’re working through like what happened with Joseph Smith? Was he this dirty pedophile that everybody thought he was. Um does, does the scriptures give a narrative on this, does the stars give a narrative on this or was he a legitimate good man that was just blamed? Um Do you want to go ahead and read that scripture? Yeah. So

[49:28] Taylor Child: this is the 16 try and see if you, if you hear in this, any of those phrases that I’ve loved from some of the essays I’ve read like several months before her 15th birthday and later reminiscences are not always reliable. Try and see if you hear any of that in

[49:43] Michelle: here. So we’re talking OK. Yeah. So you are, you are just so I understand you are kind of using Joseph’s um star signs is that the right term?

[49:53] Taylor Child: He was born under the sign. So Joseph’s birthday, December 23rd is when the Capricorn, which is the goat, Jesus born April 6th. He is born under the sign of the lamb. Joseph was born under the sign of the goat. OK? And so we have all those scriptures we could read all through Leviticus about how the high priest is supposed to kill the lamb over and over and over and over and over again. And he does and they have so much practice that by the time the lamb comes in the flesh, they, they play their role exactly as prophesized. But we’re looking kind of in the scriptures. What does it say? What happens with goats? And OK, you know, is there something here? And so Leviticus 16, he is to cast lots for the two goats, one lot for the Lord and the other for the scapegoat. Aaron shall bring the goat whose lot falls to the Lord and sacrifice it for a sin offering. But the goat chosen by lot as the scapegoat shall be presented alive before the Lord to be used for making atonement by sending it into the wilderness as a scapegoat.

[50:54] Brian Lang: So what’s interesting? And what happened in the restoration was Joseph kind of got blamed for everything and it in scripture and allegory, the goat gets blamed for everything. And then there’s another part, another break off another goat like the dispensation goes into the wilderness. It go, it goes and this happens in the West. If you look at the previous scripture, it’s something that happens in the west. It’s something that happens in America. Somebody born under the sign of the goat, they, they put the other dispensation under their feet and then they get blamed for everything, for

[51:29] Taylor Child: the sin of Christ, for the sin offering. And the other one is laden with sins and goes into the wilderness.

[51:35] Brian Lang: It has the actual sins. So,

[51:38] Michelle: OK, so, so catch me up just a little bit. I have a couple of questions. So the, the um the lamb is different from the goat because the lamb is also a scapegoat like Jesus was also blamed for the sins of the world and crucified or sacrificed. And so how is the goat different than the lamb. The

[51:58] Brian Lang: lamb was sacrificed for sin. Oh OK. And, and that was AAA foreshadowing to the messiah. And then separately, the goat is an allegory towards this dispensation. And

[52:13] Taylor Child: the uh you know, we’ve only put a couple of verses here. But if you read the whole chapter, like the, the ritual involving the goat is that you bring two and the high priest is going to kill one of them and it is going to confess, lay on hands and confess the sins of the people of the other one and let it go into the wilderness. So it’s a bit of a different uh di di different than the uh lamb offering where you’re, you know, the lamb of God is, is taking on the sins and giving his life with the goat. One gives its life and the other one takes on the sins and is let go into the wilderness.

[52:50] Brian Lang: Yes, I only brought up the lamb allegory to show that that one was already fulfilled and that God prophesized that way. And then I went to this separately just to kind of show what God was prophet sighing about in regards to the restoration. Does that

[53:04] Taylor Child: make sense?

[53:06] Michelle: And I’ll think about it more. But yes, I mean, keep going. I’ll keep pondering on

[53:10] Brian Lang: it. And one thing to like know there’s two goats and the restoration split into two main factions and, and R LDS and, and LDS and the LDS went, the Berga faction went out west and once again, it’s talking about the West and the scripture before. But the one, ok,

[53:32] Michelle: so, ok. Ok. All of a sudden it’s clicking and so forgive me for being slow. One gets blamed for everything. One actually does everything right. So, and the one that gets expelled, the one that goes out West is the one that’s actually guilty. That’s, that has all the sins, sins is killed and is blamed for the sins. Got it with the blanket. That’s cool.

[54:02] Brian Lang: But the, but there’s also multiple allegories going on to where? Yeah, once again, Mormonism, two different factions, one comes to an end and we’re watching the R LDS Church come to an end basically. And then there’s one that’s kind of continued and spread throughout the earth.

[54:18] Michelle: So losing

[54:24] Taylor Child: when we’re dealing with symbolism and allegory like the temptation in our Western minds is to say one thing means one thing always and to, to your point, you brought up symbolism related to Jesus because this is absolutely relevant to jesus’ crucifixion as well where Pilate presents two people, one who’s actually guilty of some sins and one who is completely guiltless Jesus and they kill one of them and they let the other one go. So it’s, it’s relevant to that too. Like there, there are layers and multiple ways to look at this that are all relevant at the same time. I’m not, I’m not in other words. I’m not telling you discard what you’ve heard from Sunday school about that because like, no, that’s good. That’s a good way to, to see what this means. Well said, OK. Ok. Revelation 12. Uh this is a uh a familiar sign. It’s, it’s there appeared a great wonder or sign in the heavens. A woman clothed with the sun. So this is where the sun is in the sky, the moon under her feet and upon her head, a crown of 12 stars. So that would be the constellation Leo plus three planets. OK. The uh the revelation 12 sign show has shown up a couple of times that are uh relevant to that idea of a replacement covenant body, one in two BC. OK. That was, and that was at the time roughly of the conception of Jesus. OK. So that this omen in the heavens, heralds a new dispensation, a new covenant body where the prior covenant body is being put under feet, being displaced and you can decide whether that’s good or bad by what you choose to be part

[56:10] Michelle: of. OK. Very cool.

[56:14] Taylor Child: Another time this sign showed up in the heavens was in 1827 like the day that Joseph Smith got the gold plates from the angel and there is a third time fairly recently. Do you want to talk about that now or later? Um There, there is a third time in uh September 2017 that this sign was in the heavens as well. It’s a

[56:37] Brian Lang: recent phenomenon.

[56:40] Michelle: Do you guys have an interpretation of that yet?

[56:43] Brian Lang: Well, I would argue that it’s always the same interpretation. It’s always meant the same thing because um number one, like the word covenant is like interchangeable Testament, right? And so when you go back to the beginning, John, the Baptist and, and um um Jesus were both in the womb at the time and they brought forth a new covenant, a New Testament. And we even called that in our Scriptures, a New Testament. And it, it’s a symbol of that and, and, and the idea is that the Jewish people at that time lost active covenant status like they were like a divorced spouse. And what Jesus brought was like a new covenant. They held like he, they became the bride of Christ, right? And then once again, um he’s going to go into this prophecy now, but it’s giving the star sign to prop up what he’s gonna say is happening in 1823 and that’s gonna put 1823 into context. And, but once again, it’s the idea that like a New Testament, a new covenant is being offered and it’s associating it with what he’s gonna read. Yeah.

[57:52] Taylor Child: And uh to, to kind of piggyback on that if you’re there in that moment, like try and mentally place yourself in two BC or in 1827 how do you recognize? OK, we see a sign in the heaven that and say, you say, you understand this, that it means there’s a new Testament, a new covenant. How do you recognize where that is and where you find it? You know, is it this crazy guy preaching out in the wilderness and baptizing and saying, saying to us, the Jews that are righteous and holy that keeps the law and do the observances daily in the temple. And we’re so good at it that we, we have a whole slaughterhouse. We’re very efficient. We got blood everywhere and telling us that we have to repent and that we sink um that guy like, how do you recognize that? And that’s, I’m not suggesting an answer to that. I’m suggesting, you know, if you are alive at the time of John, the Baptist and Jesus, how would you recognize them when the authorities are all saying those people are crazy if you’re alive at the time of Joseph Smith, how would you recognize him when he’s got this crazy Golden Bible? That no one, you know, none of the authorities respect. No one takes it seriously. How do you recognize it? And that’s a pondering question. I’m not going to suggest an answer to but

[59:09] Michelle: excellent. OK.

[59:11] Taylor Child: Revelation 12. And she brought forth. So this is, you know, the woman in the sky, she brought forth a man child or a young man who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron and Nephi instructs us that that’s the word of God and her child was caught up unto God and to his throne. OK. If that’s not a description of a biography of Joseph Smith as a young man being caught up to the throne of God, I don’t know what is,

[59:39] Michelle: oh, interesting. Oh, so it doesn’t necessarily mean killed, it means came into the presence of God, potentially. OK? OK.

[59:48] Brian Lang: And the iron rod also is associated with the word of God in the Bible too because it says that the rod of iron comes forth out of God’s mouth and what comes out of his mouth? His words,

[59:58] Michelle: the word of God

[1:00:00] Taylor Child: sharper than a two edged sword. It’s really great imagery if you’re like a child trying to draw.

[1:00:05] Brian Lang: But once again, this happened the same day, he claims he got the gold plates because he got them the night of September 22nd and it happened in the morning of the, of September 23rd. And if you look at the Hebrew day, it goes evening to evening. So therefore, it was the same Hebrew day, the way Hebrews count time.

[1:00:23] Michelle: Wow. Ok.

[1:00:24] Taylor Child: And so with that in mind on the uh on the 2017 1, I’ll, I’ll just tell you like, yeah, you’re living in an era where that sign has been given again, that sign has been in the heavens. Can you recognize what God’s doing and how to be part of it? And how would you do that? It’s that, it’s the same challenge that was faced by people in Joseph Smith’s Day and in jesus’ Day.

[1:00:49] Michelle: Right. Do you, do you throw stones at Samuel the Laman night? Do you want a Benoite burned at the stake? Do you want, or can you listen to a message that comes? And I’m not,

[1:01:01] Taylor Child: I’m not the one mighty and strong.

[1:01:05] Michelle: Yeah, we can leave that aside. I think it’s just a general. I don’t think it’s that we’re looking for the one person. I think it’s just a general, um, um, attitude I think is what we’re speaking to, right? Are we willing to hear things and consider and be humble or are we self righteous? Is kind of what the question comes down to? Are you going to

[1:01:23] Taylor Child: reassure yourself that I keep the law and I fast twice in the week and I’m, I am the most religious son of a sorry that you’ve ever seen. And I’m gonna be a real piece of work to deal with or are you going to be someone whose heart is right with God and who’s interested in what God’s doing?

[1:01:42] Michelle: Right. And that’s what Jesus always said too. Like everything you’ve heard since your infancy, then it’s all good and you’ll accept it, right? But anyone, anything new we have to fight against if that’s, yeah, that’s part of this idea of not being defensive, not having our walls up, but being willing to consider and then, and then use the tools God has given us to discern so that we don’t just fight things that might be good, call good, evil and evil, good. OK. Excellent. OK. So

[1:02:12] Taylor Child: the next part of this is when the dragon comes and uh makes war with the

[1:02:15] Brian Lang: saints. We gonna talk a little bit about the dragon. It’s something cosmic. Um If you see that there’s a bigger star there, that’s the and uh we have associated the dragon with Draco and right here and at one point like at the beginning of our cycle of creation back 6000 years ago or so that Theban, that alpha star of Draconis was held the throne of God. It was the north star and has been since thrown off the throne like like what we say in scriptures about Michael and the devil warring. Those are literally cosmic plays getting acted out for

[1:02:53] Taylor Child: us. Yeah. He was cast down to the earth and he drew with him. This is a graphic from earlier, but he took a third part of heaven with him and I was also cast down to the earth. What we’ve got here is that same zodiacal map where I’ve in the small circle, I’ve circled the dragon Draco and look, it takes four of the four of the 12 constellations and captures them and takes them to the fall. It’s everything from that Virgo to uh Sagittarius, Sagittarius.

[1:03:25] Brian Lang: And what are those themes mean in like astro theology and astrology. Virgo’s like order, organization like church religion, like Joseph and his Joseph Smith translation associates Virgo, the woman with the church of God who was the church of God. He inserts that into his, into his Joseph Smith translation. And then Sagittarius is also a symbol of higher learning. It represents the sciences and, and also um religion as well. So it’s, it’s target, what it’s grabbing out is going after people’s faith, their religion, their order. That’s the word he

[1:04:02] Michelle: holds his power in the sky.

[1:04:04] Brian Lang: OK? And there appeared another wonder in heaven and behold, a great red dragon. We should remember. Red, red’s important to this little red

[1:04:13] Taylor Child: riding.

[1:04:14] Brian Lang: Um Red is a symbol of the fall. He’s going to bring the fall um having seven heads and 10 horns and seven crowns upon his hood. 10, we talked about how that represents the power of God. Seven in Hebrew is Shabbat like Sabbath as in the Sabbath day brings a Sabbath day, Rs R retraction. But it’s a symbol of taking away. It’s a symbol of it being a destroyer also. And it’s a head, it’s a leader. It’s a, it’s, it’s a governing principle. Um That idea that symbolism crowning himself seven crowns. It’s duplicating that meaning. Um Let’s go to the next and then the uh yeah. And then it says his tell drew a third part of the stars of heaven. We should break down the tell a little bit. The tell sometimes has some strong references to Scorpio and the scorpion tell, like when it stings somebody, it, it leaves a kiss mark. And so the idea that it’s bringing in when it brings in, the idea of a tale is bringing in like the Judas is scary archetype. He was a betrayer. And when Jesus went through his, um he went through a cosmic story in the New Testament and his death, like he went through like all the archetypes of the zodiac. And when he gets kissed by Judas, it was a symbol of them going, going through the scorpion, consolation.

[1:05:41] Taylor Child: It’s the betrayal that death.

[1:05:43] Brian Lang: And

[1:05:44] Michelle: the scorpion is a, is a phrase we have. Yeah, it’s that and

[1:05:48] Brian Lang: something we should be aware of is the scorpion rules over the taboo. And one of those things that it represents is the on the cosmic body is the private parts, the reproductive organs. It, it rules over sexuality. So it’s a forewarning of sexuality getting brought up. And a third part of the stars of heaven are drawn away by this dragon referencing the war in heaven. But it’s bringing us this, this idea of Joseph Smith inserts it into his Joseph Smith translation that in likeness of things that are on the earth, that’s how he would he.

[1:06:25] Taylor Child: And so you have the uh the Michael versus Satan story, you have the, the J Jesus being betrayed by Judas story. Like this is like, like you mentioned earlier, it’s a pattern that happens over and over and over and over again.

[1:06:41] Brian Lang: Yes. And then a third part, once again, third is getting put under feet. The idea of like covenant status being removed and also like an uncomfortable thing to talk about here is estimates is that the Berm might let apart a third part of the Saints away. Other people disagree and say it was somewhere between 3050. We can’t know. But really the numbers that came away to the brim might faction were about a third part. It says the dragons stood before the woman, the church of God, which is, go ahead.

[1:07:14] Michelle: Oh, just one thing that I think is useful in that third part also is that it’s not necessarily saying a percentage as much as it’s telling us there were three parts, right? So it’s so it’s also that, that’s one of the big factions is the faction that came to Utah. The faction that stayed with like the three factions of the, the three main factions of the church. Ok.

[1:07:34] Taylor Child: Right. Our, our Western minds like to think, ok. A third part that means one divided rather than group, one, group, two, group, three, group, three left.

[1:07:43] Michelle: Yeah. Yeah. Ok. So it drew away, one of the groups of one of the three groups was drawn away. Ok. Interesting.

[1:07:50] Brian Lang: And it says that it was the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered for, for to devour her child as soon as it was born like in its infancy, the child is a reference to the head. Um a consolation it represents an heir like a leader that’s on the earth. It’s, it’s like a reference to the young man Joseph Smith. He’s seeking to devour him as soon as he’s born. Like when it’s in his infancy. The the restoration, right?

[1:08:18] Michelle: This is incredible because that’s what people like. So the restoration is just born. It’s definitely isn’t matured. It’s not brought to, to fruition and immediately come in these false spirits, these false ideas, these um to, to pollute it and then to OK, that’s profound. Wow. OK.

[1:08:40] Taylor Child: It gets worse and like when you, he gets a infection and that was potentially lethal, like all, all of the stories that, you know, just from Joseph’s life, it’s like something had it out for him and he had to suffer even from a very young age.

[1:08:58] Michelle: But you know, it is so also it’s not worth, it’s so comforting because it’s, I, I don’t know that comforting is the right idea. But like so many people say, how could God let this happen? Why? And it’s kind of like if it, I mean, it’s literally written in the stars according to what you guys are presenting in terms of God’s in charge. God’s got this, this was all part of the plan God doesn’t see in time nothing’s going sideways or it’s just our job to play out our role in

[1:09:26] Taylor Child: this and decide which side you’re going to be

[1:09:29] Michelle: right. Like to do the best we can and where we are planted in this, in this grand saga that God’s in charge of. It’s all. Ok. Ok. It’s

[1:09:39] Taylor Child: really cool. Like, you know what, what you said reminds me of in the, in the gospels, I believe it’s in the gospel of John where Jesus says, and I’m gonna totally butcher paraphrasing it. But just before he’s going off, like after the last supper, just before he’s going to get betrayed and killed, he’s telling them like I’m telling you this because I’m not going to be able to tell you why it’s all happening. You know, I’m going to the garden, then I’m going to be betrayed and then I’m gonna be killed and I’m gonna die. Um I’m telling you all this before so that you’re not afraid and that you don’t lose your, lose your heart

[1:10:14] Michelle: through all of this. You can have peace with you. Yep. Like this, there’s gonna be a lot of craziness but have peace. It’s OK. I’ve got this. Ok.

[1:10:28] Brian Lang: So kind of the kicker and it says, and the servant was cast and the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. Um One thing you know, I put fire and water there. But like, aren’t dragons supposed to breathe fire, not water? That’s weird. Right. Why? Um, even, even when you re research, like the fiery fight flying serpents or the se Seraphim that are the, the serpent like creatures that are known to be at the throne and presence of God, they’re fiery serpents, they’re dragons, the true dragons, right? But this dragon is not bringing ascension to the woman. It’s bringing water and in astrology, water is deeply symbolic of sexuality. He’s carrying away a flood encompassing the woman, the church with sexuality and he’s carrying her away that way. That’s how he’s over from

[1:11:31] Michelle: and,

[1:11:33] Brian Lang: and, and to make matters worse, it’s implicating something because we’re not going to read the whole chapter, but it says mouth several times in this chapter. And, and it’s not a coincidence and the mouth in, in the original Hebrew was a representation of the constellation Gemini that rules over the mouth, rules over words and um who was born under that sign. It’s giving us a warning of men. Geminis too. Born under the sign and once again, one of them has red hair and, and born under that sign. Shall we turn it?

[1:12:07] Taylor Child: OK? Are you ready for the big reveal of?

[1:12:11] Michelle: OK, wait, pause. Everyone think in your mind who you think it is. We should have everyone just like hurry and write in the comments. Who do you think it will be? And we’ll see if we all have the same

[1:12:20] Taylor Child: Brian’s identifying as the anti-christ. This is

[1:12:23] Brian Lang: people who are, this is like anti-christ level prophesy prophecy.

[1:12:29] Michelle: The

[1:12:30] Brian Lang: cards of this generation.

[1:12:32] Michelle: All right. Let’s do the reveal.

[1:12:35] Taylor Child: 321.

[1:12:38] Michelle: I, I was right. Who else was? Right. Holy cow. I didn’t know their birthdays. I was like, it’s gotta be Brigham and Heber the besties. They’re best friends from early childhood and, ok, I want to know everyone in the comments who was right. I’m gonna be looking through after to see about it. That’s no way. I totally called that one. Ok.

[1:13:00] Brian Lang: But we did, I mean all along, they’re warning us of these signs. These the scriptures are more in depth, these understanding the cosmos. Our reason, my reason for pushing them has been to help people have a new thirst for their scriptures like it will bring them out alive again for you. Like people ask, how can I learn this stuff more? I’m like read your scriptures. It’s in your

[1:13:22] Taylor Child: scriptures, read them, read them slowly, read them without a manual telling you what everything means. Like let it wash over you and do it slowly. I think Joseph Smith had something to say about careful, solemn and ponderous thought can find out the mysteries of

[1:13:35] Brian Lang: God. I want to go into that a little bit more. OK?

[1:13:37] Taylor Child: I won’t steal your thunder.

[1:13:39] Brian Lang: Ok.

[1:13:40] Michelle: Yeah, it’s true though. Just the second witnesses, 2nd and 3rd witnesses, right? When you have additional ways to understand it brings more power, more understanding and more testimony to these things. That’s incredible. OK.

[1:13:55] Brian Lang: Yeah. So there’s some innuendo in the stars that kind of also implicate some other things. Um I’ve, I’ve put Mars there because that was how the planets looked like when Joseph Smith was killed. Also like Mars. If you flip to the next screen there, I’m gonna wanna flip back all the planets And this is in our book, the ancient cosmic language um are all representative of the planets like living. The commandments is the same as living in honor of the planetary energies. They, they’re the same archetypes, the same themes and the commandment associated with Mars is thou shalt not kill. Let’s go back. And then Mars, the planet of thou shall not kill is that Gemini in the sky when Joseph died. And on top of that, this wasn’t a firsthand account by Joseph, but it was reported from a talk he had given that he had asked when the second coming would be. And he says, if thou wilt live until thou art 85 years old, thou shalt see the face of the son of man. And Joseph gave his interpretation. He goes, I don’t think it’s gonna happen any sooner than that time and he was right. But then he goes, I kind of think this is a reference to when I die and see jesus’ face. And what happens is, is in the ancient cosmic language book. What characters in Hebrew? Those are, is Mars is five and Gemini is 80 and that happens to be the alignment 85. When you look at it through cosmic lenses of the alignment, when Joseph dies and sees his face, is that a coincidence? What does that implicate? That’s up to you to

[1:15:43] Taylor Child: decide. We’ll let you guys

[1:15:44] Michelle: decide that. Oh my gosh. Ok. But

[1:15:50] Brian Lang: needless to say, um and this may be pretty bold, but in the book of Mormon, it says the last prophet moron takes over his first words where he’s taken over the book. He says, behold, Jesus Christ has shown you unto me and I know you’re doing. And if the, if Joseph Smith revealed a past people and, and uncovered them from the dust and then he died behind closed doors and by a mass mob, unrevealed whatever, right? Then if those prophetic people also saw His day and if God is a just God and if the book of Mormon came from Joseph Smith, do do not those do they not owe it in their history to leave allegory back to what happened at that time. That’s worth like noting I would say, I mean, we have stories like Maaya and all that other stuff. They, they probably should be reread through a lens of allegory. Yeah, read

[1:16:58] Taylor Child: it through a lens of allegory and prophecy rather than as just me Fight history.

[1:17:03] Brian Lang: And it, and it’s not from precedents. You have both the book of Mormon and both the restoration start out with the young man prophet Nephi Joseph Smith. They both build temples. They both get driven from place to place. Um, then it breaks into two different factions even though there was a whole bunch of different factions. But there was main, two principal factions. Nephites and Lamanites. R LDS picked their leadership the same way that uh um the, the Lamanites took on the archetypes of, of uh the how the LDS church went and then they changed leadership in a certain specific way with Aali. It’s, it’s all worth reading again.

[1:17:46] Michelle: Wow! Ok. And just while you were going over that this scripture came to mind and I’m sure this is not new to you guys at all, but I just wanna share it because um it just applies to me to what we’re talking about. Doctor N covenant three. It starts at the beginning, the works and the designs and the purposes of God cannot be frustrated. Neither can they come to not for God does not walk in crooked paths. I’m just thinking of how you were describing Angela, the path of the Sun that Jesus stayed within, right? And for God does not walk in crooked paths. Neither does he turn to the right hand nor to the left. Neither does he vary from that, which he hath said. Therefore, his paths are straight and His course is one eternal round. This is so applicable to what we’re talking about. Remember, remember that it is not the work of God that is frustrated but the work of men and it goes on from there. But that just hit me in the context of everything we’re talking about that God’s got this. It was all, it’s God does not walk and crooked path. It’s not, things aren’t being messed up from what you know, God’s not trying to go. Oh no. Now what I guess is what, what the point is like, shoot, how did they mess up the restoration and kill my prophet? And now what do I do? Right? It’s if anything,

[1:19:04] Taylor Child: I kind of, I have this image of God being like, wait a minute. Uh Gabriel, they repented so uh cancel that destruction we had scheduled. They could have that as a surprise if you get a surprise.

[1:19:18] Michelle: Yeah, I, I think this is profound. OK? Very cool. I love this. Thank you. OK. Ready

[1:19:25] Taylor Child: to go to the next one.

[1:19:28] Brian Lang: Yeah.

[1:19:28] Taylor Child: Yeah. So uh I guess, you know, the main message we want to get to and, and I like having it on this screen. When I think about this, we talked about fire and water, fire ascending to God. Uh filling yourself, filling your life with the spirit of God, with spirituality, with goodness versus being overcome by a flood of sexuality. I think that’s a pretty good description for our modern world. Um

[1:19:55] Michelle: There’s also the b it reminds me of the baptism as well, right? The baptism of water that washes away sin as well. Like baptism is the, is the lower and then, and then the baptism of fire, that’s the higher that fills us with the holy ghost first. You know, it’s, it’s an interesting dichotomy. Ok.

[1:20:13] Taylor Child: Yeah. And, and so like with, with that in mind and, and with what I said earlier about the revelations 12 sign, like you’re living in an era where that sign has been given and you get to make a choice of where you’re going to find yourself. Are you going to be part of a covenant body that’s being displaced or you’re gonna be part of whatever it’s being displaced with? Are you gonna be interested and humble and whatever God it is, do whatever God is doing or are you going to be recalcitrant and stuck in, you know, your knowledge that you’re right? And you’ve always been right? And that no one ever else has been right. But you, that’s up to you to decide dear listener, dear audience member. And that’s, that was the challenge we wanted to leave on this. Yeah.

[1:20:58] Brian Lang: The idea that like light is rising. There’s a time right now where the secrets are being uncovered. You’ve been a part of that. Um We would love to be a part of it too and, and let’s not get chased out into the wilderness again. Let’s create something better. Like the scripture say that we’re supposed to create Zion. We’re supposed to do better things. Let’s like, so we’d like to challenge people to hang on and go to the light and not to make the mistakes of the past. Not to just go through these cycles again. When you go through the whole path of the sun, the, the, the lamb of God is where it all starts, where life comes from and you go all the way around. And then when you get to the last constellation, it’s Pisces. Pisces is the fish and it’s of the moving waters. And the fish has two different paths. One goes to the other cycles like a repeating cycle and the other upper fish points to the throne of God in the sky. It’s a symbol of the ascent. Let’s choose that path. If we could plead any an any to everybody, let’s choose this path together. Let’s ascend, let’s do it right this time and not fall into the traps of the past

[1:22:08] Michelle: from what I’m hearing the way that we kind of write this tight upward that we let the waters be the waters of baptism rather than the, the flood of sexuality or the right uh how we let the baptism of fire come instead of being burned at the last day is just about our hearts being open and, and humble and seeking God rather than our traditions, is this, am I hearing correctly? How you are interpreting that?

[1:22:34] Brian Lang: Yes. And one thing to kind of clarify is um this is like really bratty but like Sagittarius is the constellation in which the sun passes. It’s a symbol of religion and, and, and one of the themes it uses to describe that consolation. One of the older themes of it is not just being an arrow, but also being a great and spacious building or a tower. And it’s a symbol of higher learning, the sciences, religion and, and those orders of things. And it’s actually a the next constellation Capricorn also can be seen, can be seen as the father, but can also be seen as the devil. Um It takes you religion takes you to the devil. But when you go to the upper part,

[1:23:16] Michelle: yeah, the upper

[1:23:17] Brian Lang: part of piss is, is different than religion. It’s square, it’s 90 degrees with religion. They’re both mutable and Pisces is a representation of spirituality. It’s spirituality, it’s the heavens that take you to the other plane. So that’s the key there is, is connecting the spirituality to heaven, to God.

[1:23:37] Michelle: It’s, it’s what we put our trust in, what our hearts are turned toward and what our reliance is on. And if I think that if our reliance is on a religious structure, then we are stuck, right? That the book Mormon teaches these lessons and it takes us the wrong direction into the chains of hell as when we say enough of the word of God, we have enough and we need no more of the word of God. And we settle for the lesser portion as Alma talks about that is the chains of hell. Whereas where the same thing I like that, it’s either the building or the arrow, right? Knowledge and insight and truth can either enslave us, capture us because we refuse to receive any more. Because what we have is sufficient or it can continue to be poured out to take us to God. I think it’s cool that those, those things lead either to the father or to the devil, like you said with Capricorn. And that, that, you know, we can choose how we receive it if I’m understanding it correctly. That’s what it means to me. And I, I think that

[1:24:37] Brian Lang: we don’t mean that as a blanket like attack on religion, I mean religion, it’s a community but it’s, it’s God that saves. We want to accentuate the point that God the Pisces consolation. What that is a symbol of is what saves it. It’s not

[1:24:51] Michelle: all of those things can be used as either opportunities or built into prisons. Every single one of those institutions can do that either to us or for us, depending on how we approach it.

[1:25:07] Taylor Child: OK, so,

[1:25:08] Michelle: OK, let’s get on to the bonus content. This is bonus content. Let’s

[1:25:12] Brian Lang: start with Joseph.

[1:25:14] Taylor Child: So the question here, we, we’ve got Nal Charts here, Joseph Smith Brigham Young who more likely practice polygamy. This is, you know, put on your astrologer hat for

[1:25:23] Brian Lang: me. We’re gonna have fun here.

[1:25:26] Taylor Child: And, uh, yeah, let’s start with like, I guess the first question that I think should probably be dealt with is, you know, we talked about birth place or date time and place. Right?

[1:25:38] Michelle: Can, can I interrupt really quickly one more second? I just throw in, I think that you are acknowledging this part is more just for fun, right? Because there can be anyone with these exact same. You can’t look at someone’s chart and say they’re good, they’re evil. They’re, they’re this, right? So, so everything

[1:25:56] Taylor Child: in common with Jesus and uh and with Brian here. So yes, it’s, it’s, it’s proclivity and it’s, it’s what, what your choices are gonna be, what you, what you do not uh It’s not, we’re not fatalistic telling you like this is immutably what you were. You were destined to be a real piece of work like

[1:26:18] Michelle: we’re not saying and it’s what we’re reading into it as well as what we’re bringing to it. We have the benefit

[1:26:23] Taylor Child: of hindsight here.

[1:26:24] Brian Lang: Yes. And, and one nuanced approach we want to play, we want to play a little bit of that if I was the devil, how would I tempt either of these men? Because certain people have certain weaknesses over others. And, but, and that is real like, so,

[1:26:37] Taylor Child: so this first question you know, we’re, we’re making some claims about rising signs that, that is dependent upon time. Where did we come up with these times?

[1:26:47] Brian Lang: Um It’s one of the highest levels of astrology, but we were reversed doing reverse astrology on him. We, we, if you can understand their 10th house, for example, you know, what type of work they did, what type of careers they had, you and you can start to like, shift it around and, and knowing their personality, you can finally like find it like, ok, what was happening? What happened to them? If you can get enough points to triangulate, which we did with both of them, we’re not gonna bore you with all that. But we did a lot of work to, to pass these out and get them pretty close to the minute they were born.

[1:27:19] Taylor Child: I, I just wanna say that to say because we’re saying Joseph born 22 1747. There is no historical source that I’m aware of that says that that is us working the problem backwards and arriving at that conclusion. And same with Brigham Young. I just want to be really clear about that so that no one says write it carved in the stone plates, stone plates that’d be heavy.

[1:27:40] Brian Lang: This is the time I think we are pretty close though. I think it was

[1:27:45] Taylor Child: about where it came from and

[1:27:46] Michelle: how I’d be curious to see and maybe I’ll put this out there if there’s someone who um disagrees with, um, like, like who thinks that Joseph was? Um was this bad guy that’s described the CE S letter? It’d be interesting to see what they come up with too. But I, but this is the version I’m very interested in because I think this is what the evidence strongly points towards. So, yeah, let’s this, this is really cool

[1:28:11] Brian Lang: Capricorn Gemini Rising. Uh That’s what we got them as uh Gemini rising is a little bit more jovial. They’re gonna be talking with their hands a little bit more than regular people. Um like playful

[1:28:25] Taylor Child: that Gemini rising people are fun. They’re, they can be easy to talk to like easy to talk in front of a crowd like they’re not intimidated by that. They’ll, they’ll, they’ll talk a lot like talking is a big part of their world as opposed to being, you know, shy and quiet. Joseph was, was naturally pretty cheerful

[1:28:47] Michelle: native with the little boys and people thinking he wasn’t a prophet because he was, he was too fun

[1:28:53] Taylor Child: too. Right? Yeah. And so I want to put, I want to look at his fifth house right here where my mouse is. So that’s the cusp of the fifth house is Libra. Libra is the constellation that’s associated with the partner, the companion, the your literal like counterpart. Um And the fifth house is the house associated with romance. So

[1:29:21] Brian Lang: this is his hard, hard

[1:29:23] Taylor Child: wiring like his wiring is to view romance as, like my one and only, like, it would surprise me if teenage Joseph was dating girls left and right. It would surprise me. Honestly, if you dated anyone other than Emma ever.

[1:29:39] Michelle: Yeah. He was a romantic looking for his life partner. He

[1:29:44] Brian Lang: associates fifth houses romance and it’s associated with the partner. So for somebody like that to achieve, they have to disassociate with not wanting their partner anymore before they’re going to be even entertaining that on top of the

[1:29:58] Taylor Child: son in the seventh house, seventh house is the other place you look for where you see the partner, right? And his son like his, his life force, his ego like is tied up in there too. So anyway, not to cut you off. But for someone like that to betray that trust or the like you would have to have a really severe separation from.

[1:30:23] Michelle: So, so what I’m hearing is that it wouldn’t if Joseph were to be unfaithful to Emma, it would be, you’re no longer the one I’m, it would be a replacement with someone else that he felt that like he’s looking for that partnership. He’s not looking to get some action. He’s right. It’s

[1:30:41] Brian Lang: he associates that action with a partner.

[1:30:44] Taylor Child: And you know, there, there’s a few people we know that have similar wiring. Um Whitney Horning is one who also Gemini rising. We can

[1:30:53] Brian Lang: ask her if she wanted to sleep with a bunch of guys and she would be like that. That’s disgusting. You know what I mean? It would be the worst idea ever. Like she has, he has the same wiring as Whitney Horning that way.

[1:31:05] Michelle: Ok.

[1:31:06] Taylor Child: And I’m married to someone with really similar wiring as well. My dear wife also that way and she would say the same. I’ve

[1:31:13] Brian Lang: asked her because I was researching for this.

[1:31:16] Taylor Child: I

[1:31:19] Brian Lang: got like a SK

[1:31:23] Taylor Child: so that, that’s kind of what we’re seeing in. Just want to talk about.

[1:31:27] Brian Lang: Yes. Let me explain the seventh house a little more. When you see the houses, it’s not their personalities as much as their interests. So at the core of his ego, his interest is in his spouse, his partner, that’s the partner energy. So he would have been really into his partnerships, whether it be Cindy Rigdon and

[1:31:50] Taylor Child: Hyrum Smith. Like he, he’s a guy that has really close one on one friends, whether with Emma, his brother Hyrum at a time, Sidney Rigdon at a time. Oliver Cowdrey as

[1:32:02] Michelle: a, as a boy, his, his older brother, Alvin, he like, there was that one person that Emma sort of replaced as the one he had. Like God told him, you have to take one person with you to get the plates and that would be that partner. Right? And so that’s, and, and I like how Don Bradley pointed out the parallel revelations to, um, Joseph and Emma that go side by side in the doctrine and covenants and have so many similarities. That’s another testimony of this idea of kind of perfect partnership. OK. Very cool. I love this.

[1:32:33] Taylor Child: You’ve got Mars right here in the Seventh House. That’s Mar Mars is often connected to sex drive. So that’s again.

[1:32:41] Brian Lang: So what he’s attracted to is he’s attracted to. He, he wants time with the spouse, not other things, you know,

[1:32:48] Michelle: he doesn’t have a roving eye. Ok. A wander, not a roving

[1:32:51] Brian Lang: eye. And their earth, earth is like one of the least sexual too. Like it’s very grounded. It’s in fact, if I, if, if you’re the devil, how would you attempt

[1:33:01] Taylor Child: him? Ok. So this is a game Brian and I play sometimes that was the devil. How would it you um, I look at uh second house right here for him. He’s got that earth symbol here. Second house is money. If I were the devil, how would I temp Joseph? I’d offer him gold, I’d offer him riches. I’d offer him. And you know what? As soon as they said that to Brian, you know, a couple of days ago when we were talking about this, I thought, oh, wait, that’s exactly what he even admitted to being tempted by the first time he saw the place like, like, right, that’s where I would if I were the devil and I wanted to tempt Joseph, that’s the avenue that I’d be going. He

[1:33:43] Brian Lang: has so much Capricorn and curious energy. He’s gonna be so offended and wanting to cancel anybody that’s being inappropriate that way. That’s not his issue. If, if he’s going to be, if he was weak anywhere, it was with money, not with

[1:33:56] Taylor Child: sexuality. And it took several years of discipline and instruction before the angel sometimes identified as Moone. I sometimes identified as nei and whatever you think before the angels said. Yeah. Ok. Take the plates and don’t screw it up.

[1:34:13] Michelle: And even then you can tell me if I’m reading into this, but Joseph actually just was never good with money. Right. Like, like it was almost like, um he, he had to just write it off and be like, I’m too, this is too much of a temptation. Right. Right. Like the whole, like, it’s almost like I, I can’t, I can’t handle the bills, the debts that any of that I don’t want to have to mess with it because it’s too much of a temptation. I don’t, maybe I’m reading that in, but it’s, I can kind of relate to having areas like that where it’s like, I, this is a weakness I’m gonna want anyway. That’s brilliant. He, he admits

[1:34:50] Brian Lang: it though, like he was with his chart with his personality profile that we have. He was honest with us. So I expect in the other areas like I wouldn’t even,

[1:35:02] Michelle: even to where he learned that lesson of not wanting money so much that God had to tell him, hey, it’s ok. You’re worthy of your hire for the work you’re doing, of translation and the work you’re doing. Right. Like he had to, anyway, he almost had to sign a vow of poverty, poverty to some extent at times in his life. It seems so. Ok. That’s really interesting.

[1:35:23] Taylor Child: Yeah. There, there’s the forgotten brother of the restoration. My great grandfather Samuel, who was often the practical one who would like, OK, Joseph and Hyrum are working on stuff for church. I’m gonna figure out how to do some farming and, and provide for all of us. And you know, that was, that was more his role and all that. Um Anything else we want to say about Joseph, we, we, there’s a lot about you want us to

[1:35:47] Brian Lang: talk. Do you want us to move? I think there’s some really important things

[1:35:50] Michelle: with

[1:35:52] Brian Lang: Jupiter is what you expand. It’s your blessing. It’s what you, you’re like, what’s gonna flow and grow for you that lands into Sagittarius six house. Once again, Sagittarius’s religion six make it, makes it organized religion. It shows that he had an omen of organized religion um in his chart showing that like he would grow that. And on top of that, I know you say you want to say it. The Jupiter salesman there is that, that’s not fully documented the best, it doesn’t come from the most reliable source. But Jupiter, it was said by what Joseph Smith’s wife, Emma’s second husband said that he had a Jupiter tells man and that comes from like Michael D Quinn, right? Not fully verifiable, but Jupiter is in its home, Constellation Sagittarius when he was born. So that’s a quite the coincidence

[1:36:51] Taylor Child: that in the, you know, maybe category. But, uh,

[1:36:53] Michelle: yeah. And Joseph wouldn’t, I think one of the things that turns people off about that is, oh, no, it’s this, it’s exactly what we’re talking about. Joseph wouldn’t have known about that or done that. And I think that that that’s an assumption that we’re not necessarily safe to make. So it’s, they call

[1:37:10] Taylor Child: it magical thinking and stuff and back then like that’s just how people thought and how people talk to people like, so we’re not scared of that and I’m not taking a position one way or the other on whether you have the talisman or not. But, you know,

[1:37:23] Michelle: maybe, but the thing about Jupiter being in his, in his area where he would create, I mean, organized religion is power. That’s profound. OK. Yeah.

[1:37:34] Brian Lang: And that shows that Omen. And that’s another reason why we think, think we got this thing, right? Because we knew about Sagittarius. But the way you shipped as Gemini, we were able to line that up and it looks like that’s what he did. Um Saturn, Saturn is like his punishment and it’s in the fifth house that’s shows that his, some of his downfall. What goes against him is how well he’s known. Fifth House is also like drama, like drama caused him problems. People’s passion caused him problems. And so it shows that that being

[1:38:06] Michelle: known for good, his name being had for good and evil being, getting these bad reputations. And

[1:38:12] Taylor Child: yet another reason I look at him and say, not like, it would surprise me if he seriously dated more than one person ever. Really,

[1:38:20] Brian Lang: because it does show almost like a retraction in that area for him where he got taken away from some of his romance with um Emma when he would be going to jail or fleeing or being hidden. Um It shows that that that theme showed up in his life. Um uh We may need to go into something a little bit dark and Omen on his chart that was kind of like, I guess could be seen as a cursing. Um But we for sure should go to the next slide first to kind of explain it. Uh We did this recreation. Um This is the zodiac that was found in Dar Egypt, Napoleon came across it said cut it out of the ceiling. I want it back in France. He cut it out, took it back in France. We’ve had scholars and stuff. Look at it since. And in the museum, they have been able to identify the five moving planets and they’re not in their home constellation, which is interesting that which, which would we would expect if this was astrology, right? But instead, it’s something much darker that’s been inscribed there. And that is the exaltations which are known more as planetary magic. It is these themes in inscribed here of how the elites control the world. They understand these themes they under and these themes are how our subconscious has wiring. And we’re not going to give a full discourse on this. We go into some of the stuff on our channel.

[1:39:46] Taylor Child: Um But like these are the themes that get you to vote for, people, get you to spend money, get you to go to the

[1:39:54] Michelle: dark side. This is the dark side of using this knowledge to try to control others. This is the unrighteous Dominion piece of it. It

[1:40:01] Brian Lang: can be, it can be used, it’s

[1:40:03] Taylor Child: greatly used that way and it often is. Yeah.

[1:40:06] Brian Lang: And um and for example, like you see a movie like Twilight where it, it’s like a cult following. They use like three planetary exaltations in their themes. They’re writing movies and stories off of these. That’s how you get people to show up. And if you do it out of place and you’re not using those stories, people aren’t interested. These are like magnets, these themes like we’re all like controlled and manipulated by these themes. But needless to say one of them is Saturn in Libra and where, where Libra hits the path of the sun. Um It’s where the fall is and you put, what you do is the math behind this is they take the ruling planet of Capricorn the darkest day of the year and they place it to where it’s like in this has this like Fulcrum movement where they put the ruling of planet where it go where it’s a little ahead of where it goes. And there’s like this momentum that it causes like an energetic whip and Saturn and Libra is like the Romeo and Juliet story. It’s the, it’s like the cursing of like we’re gonna play you

[1:41:11] Taylor Child: the couple that’s in love but you can’t be

[1:41:13] Brian Lang: together. Yeah, it, it, but it’s, but it’s also about reputation. This is used that planetary alignment that is used is the theme that like curses people and slanders them about their relationships, whether it be true or not. It is the theme of that like the idea that of somebody’s run running for political office and then you make a sexual all allegation against them. He has that Omen in his chart showing that, that that downfall, that sexual allegation. So

[1:41:47] Michelle: um oh my gosh, which defines his life, those accusations,

[1:41:51] Brian Lang: not just about the wife, it’s about the partner. It’s like a retraction force that’s cursed with all the people that claim to be his partners. Think about all the people that fell away from him that was

[1:42:02] Michelle: Bennett William Law, all of the people who betrayed him, Brigham Young and like like so his curses William. Oh, yeah. Just again and again and again he was

[1:42:14] Brian Lang: on his life.

[1:42:16] Michelle: Oh, my goodness.

[1:42:17] Brian Lang: He’s cursed when it comes to partnerships. Like, like, in fact, he did it incredibly well. Staying married with that kind of alignment. Usually people have that alignment. They’re going to get a divorce, but he had re retraction. Like, even, like, with trying to get with Emma that the dad got in the way. She didn’t like that and Saturn’s big daddy, it’s big daddy punishing you.

[1:42:39] Michelle: And so like you said, him, him being so often taken away and then, and then ultimately killed and taken away while she was still expecting. So maybe in a way and I won’t remember, you’ll have to remind me. But was it leave the things that made him so loyal in partnership and look and in romance kind of counter balance that cursing when it came to Emma to make it so that they could because because Joseph and Emma really, it seems to me relied on each other and needed each other and with Hiram, he was, he had a good faithful relationship there, but there were so many challenges elsewhere.

[1:43:13] Brian Lang: Yes. One thing to clarify is is when we’re talking about Saturn, we’re not talking about personality. We’re talking about an omen that has, is like an energetic voice. Everything else that you were talking about to clarify is it was his personality. His personality was to be loyal to be faithful. To, to he has a natural flow that way is how he feels inside. Um But yeah, this has a lot of omens in it. Like Pluto and Pisces shows a transformation of spirituality in his um time in his generation, which clearly happened. Um Anyways, how’s quite a

[1:43:50] Taylor Child: we got, uh we got Mercury in Aquarius. That’s somebody who can talk and talk and talk all day and can give a long discourse and

[1:43:57] Brian Lang: talk about religion in Ninth House. But he’s got Venus and

[1:44:05] Taylor Child: Venus there.

[1:44:05] Brian Lang: Yeah. So he he loved to talk about religion, higher learning, higher and saying moon moon there too. But moon in Aquarius is very like it’s the opposite of Leo. So Leo energy is romance, right? And where you see the lion energy, it wants to flirt and, and be romantic. He has the opposition there. He has the opposite energy of, of that in that place and it’s more about his emotions are more for wanting it to be appropriate. Aquarius is about appropriateness about humanitarianism, the right thing,

[1:44:38] Taylor Child: not, not to disparage uh brother Joseph here, but kind of a prude um a little bit.

[1:44:46] Michelle: Ok. So for him, all of these accusations that if when you read his words, if you’re not coming to it, just knowing he’s lying. It’s almost like this is so stupid. This is like he just, he, he’s just like this is so stupid. People keep saying this and it’s so stupid, which is he would have seen it. He didn’t have any guilt or concern. He was just like, it’s not, we’re talking like the girl business when it came to Fanny Alger or the, because even the betrayal happened with Oliver Cowdrey and like it happened again and again and again and he, I can see now why his attitude is like, oh my gosh, come on because it wasn’t even a temptation for him. It wasn’t even on the table. It was the furthest thing you could possibly that was on his mind. Ok. Wow.

[1:45:27] Brian Lang: Ok. So I’m gonna bring in on it just to kind of help people. I don’t know if we’ve said celebrities that are kind of like these people. But uh Glenn Beck has the same sun and rising as Joseph Smith. So expect a little more of that personality. And then Brigham Young, who did Brigham Young match.

[1:45:44] Taylor Child: So Brigham Young uh has a very similar makeup as everyone’s favorite president,

[1:45:52] Michelle: Donald Trump. I thought you

[1:45:54] Taylor Child: whether he’s your favorite president to abuse or your favorite president to hate, he’s still your

[1:46:00] Michelle: favorite. And we could say that um Donald Trump isn’t the loyal, faithful husband type. Ok.

[1:46:09] Taylor Child: Whatever his strengths are elsewhere, that’s not one of them. I think it’s safe to say,

[1:46:14] Michelle: ok,

[1:46:16] Brian Lang: yeah, they’re, they’re wired the same there. Leo um gets the house to roll in. Um fifth house aligned with Sagittarius. Sagittarius is the biggest, most explosive fire and that’s what um is associated with his romantic like flow and not only that the Fifth House is aligned with religion. He, he’s got him, he’s wired to make it about religion. If he’s going to be

[1:46:43] Michelle: religion and sex and like glory would all go together. I understand that would fit in his mind. OK. That’s

[1:46:52] Taylor Child: what like Cinderella slipper.

[1:46:59] Michelle: All right. This is amazing. OK. Anything else we need to know about? Yeah,

[1:47:06] Brian Lang: the Sun was in Gemini. That can be a little um these have really good and bad archetypes, but it can be talkative. Then we saw that he, he, he would have liked to talk and

[1:47:20] Michelle: he would have, you would have the best

[1:47:23] Brian Lang: words but, but also it can be a little bit of a two faced trickster like there is like a, there’s some polling and sometimes Gemini will come out as the mo the most hated out of the zodiac signs on polls. But a lot of that comes from people that were trying to date one and they, they would play them like they were interested, get something out of them and not, not commit. So it’s one of those archetypes that can be friendly and playful even if they’re mad.

[1:47:55] Michelle: Ok. So the trickster also, you could do things like signing statements against polygamy while you’re secretly practicing polygamy, right? You can like that two faced because we have Brigham on record doing that repeatedly where Joseph would be much more sincere Brigham is the one that could say one thing and do another and put up a false front. According to, we

[1:48:18] Brian Lang: do need to talk about his Mars though. Is Mars Placement Mars and Cancer. Oh boy, that’s about as like I’m just gonna say, can I, how, how blunt can I speak on here?

[1:48:28] Michelle: Give it a try.

[1:48:29] Brian Lang: It’s just, it’s like the one of the horniest signs you could get

[1:48:38] Michelle: his

[1:48:38] Brian Lang: Mars where he’s like sexual, his sexual attraction. But not just that cancer is the home. It’s not the type that like if it was in Scorpio, it may want to just sleep around and say goodbye or, or Pisces may do that, just live out a fantasy and then go back home. But he brings his attraction, what he is sleeping around into his home like he wants to make them a part of his home. It’s he’s wired for polygamy. If anybody was gonna be attempted by polygamy, it’s Mars and Cancer with a Leo Leo rising. Leo rising because you place the fifth house in Sagittarius. That is

[1:49:14] Michelle: like a,

[1:49:16] Brian Lang: if I was the devil, I would tempt him with polygamy. If I saw somebody without alignment, that would be polygamy, polygamy, it would be like how I would do it. It was the perfect way for the devil understanding a natal chart to tempt somebody. Not only that cancer at 28 degrees, that’s a third deck and that’s bigger third deck and people like wanna connect with everybody. It’s like, and there, there’s healthy ways of flowing at that energy. And you probably see ladies at church where they just wanna hug everybody. It can be fulfilled that way. But sometimes people use it that way where they want to just go all the way with everyone.

[1:49:50] Michelle: If you had a very high sexual appetite and you were, had a roving eye and you also wanted to connect with everyone and it got connected to religion and glory and this fulfilled like this is, this is exactly the chart you would make for someone who would institute.

[1:50:09] Brian Lang: Yes. And not only that the Mars is in the 11th house where it puts the interests of that sexual energy with 11th Houses, people, he has interest of sexuality with people with a lot of people because 11th 11th is magnification, for example, um the Waters Aquarius is associated in the Hebrew language with the character name in Hebrew. And we still put even in modern Hebrew today we put name on the end of a word Elohim uh or, or whatever else to

[1:50:42] Taylor Child: methylene

[1:50:43] Brian Lang: to make it plural. That is their as you put the plurality of everything on his sexual attraction when you put him in the 11th house because that’s, that is what that means. It means people plural. I want a lot of it. He’s wired to, to do that.

[1:51:00] Michelle: Oh my gosh, this is amazing. OK. I’m curious at how, um, what you can see, I don’t know what house it is. That’s kind of about abundance or how you look at money or wealth or is there anything there for him or not? Not very much in this alignment?

[1:51:18] Taylor Child: Yeah, he’s got a Uranus. So, the two I’m looking at is what’s, what he has placed in Taras and what he has in his second house. Those are the two that are two places I’m looking at and Uranus is in second house as well as his uh his earth sign right here. So that, that would be like a blessing of like, yeah, money comes easily to you.

[1:51:41] Brian Lang: He has a fortune on that, on Taras on abundance.

[1:51:45] Michelle: So he’s going to be the wealthiest man. OK.

[1:51:48] Brian Lang: Yeah. And you got, you got us there um in the second house too, like as he said, and it’s also with Virgo. So which it was at that time and moved slowly. Um Yeah, that would be a good omen for somebody that had money. That

[1:52:03] Taylor Child: that would be somebody who gets money in ways that maybe some of us don’t really approve of like extracting it from the widows might. Yeah.

[1:52:12] Michelle: Mhm OK. And making big deals with

[1:52:17] Brian Lang: um North Nodes worth pointing out that’s karma lesson. That’s what you are meant to learn in this life. And it’s right in the eighth house of sexuality. Who

[1:52:32] Michelle: so he this life was an opportunity for him to overcome like this could have been if this, this could have been his battle that he grew from, if he overcame all of these sexual Proclivities instead of using religion to dive right into them. Yeah. Yeah. And um

[1:52:52] Brian Lang: and

[1:52:52] Taylor Child: the only who has that is a dirt bag because I have that too.

[1:52:56] Michelle: Ok.

[1:52:57] Brian Lang: One other note, his Omens Jupiter and Saturn, we’d normally talk about these separately like because one’s expansion, one’s a blessing. One’s a cursing. He got them both in the same house, doubly both in Leo, both in the 12th House. So his what he expands, that is his passion, but it’s also his traction, his downfall. And it’s also in the 12th House, which would be usually an omen of uh spirituality. But also it brings in the idea of illusions like your illusions are what are bringing destruction too. So your addictions is another archetype of theme that that could represent. So that clearly has been and what it’s, we’re coming up in a Saturn return right now in honor of his Saturn return. It’s when the destroying angel visits Brigham again. We’re visiting him and, and revealing the truth about him in the few years

[1:53:56] Taylor Child: early. But you know, give us some time.

[1:53:58] Brian Lang: Well, oh yeah, I’m thinking 12th House there, ok. We’re in 12th House because we’re in Pisces now. So that’s not the same,

[1:54:06] Michelle: but it’s good to see. It’s good to have an idea of when that could like really take off. Right, because our movement is growing fast. It’s still not very big yet. So we’ll see what happens

[1:54:17] Taylor Child: if I’m being like, snarky about it. I’d say, oh, you’re, you’re somebody who, like, doesn’t connect to God easily. You’re somebody who, like, doesn’t hear the still small boys. You’re a Yankee guesser.

[1:54:29] Michelle: You,

[1:54:29] Taylor Child: you’re not gifted in that, in that particular way. Not, not to say that it’s beyond you, but it’s just, it’s one of those things that will be challenging and you’ll have to work for.

[1:54:38] Michelle: And do you know what’s interesting about that? OK. It makes sense why he would undervalue that, then why he would devalue it like when he was building the temple and he kept saying, I don’t need a revelation. We’ve already seen it done. Revelation is for people who don’t know what they’re doing. I know what I’m doing. That would fit really well.

[1:54:57] Angela Nalder: This guy,

[1:54:59] Taylor Child: did you say about Brigham the

[1:55:02] Brian Lang: South? No, Libra. That’s interesting.

[1:55:06] Michelle: OK. I will say this was fun. This was cool to see how um how much this can reveal to us about these people. And if again, if someone wants to like work up a different time of day, that they think makes more sense, it needs to at least match this one for consistency and for giving us this much information because I think this like, like you’ve sold me on it. This is amazing.

[1:55:32] Brian Lang: Yeah, this is something we practiced before they’re not our first experiments on reworking their stuff. And there are certain things that just align over and over and over again and mathematically, it becomes much more of a probability when you find this many hits to the things that we can verify that, that it fills in the holes of the things that

[1:55:51] Taylor Child: we don’t know if someone uncovers a, uh an accurate historical contemporaneous record where Lucy wrote in her journal, Joseph was born at this. Hey, I’m interested, I’m, I’m very interested. I think it’s

[1:56:03] Angela Nalder: six o’clock more. I think it’s more six. I’m just throwing that out.

[1:56:09] Michelle: So we’ll keep playing with it and cleaning it up. But it is fascinating to see this. I think the thing that’s important to recognize is you can’t just make it up. You can’t just say let’s put this here and this here like you have to go with, we have this day and there are these possible alignments within this day, which one gives us the most comprehensive picture of this person that we know all of these things about. Yeah. And,

[1:56:31] Brian Lang: and for example, like on their careers, they both have tent houses and that’s where their career is. And we know that like Brigham did do some building, he would have some carpenters that, that, that’s that alignment. And that’s one of the reasons why we line that up. And then Joseph Smith was his 10th houses in Pisces, you know, on what we have and Pisces themes are the spiritual world for their career. He was paid at one point for being a prophets and a lit revelator. He was um

[1:57:01] Taylor Child: paid to help people find stuff that was missing. Yes. And allegedly,

[1:57:05] Brian Lang: allegedly.

[1:57:06] Michelle: And you know, what can I just say? Also people use that against him. But with what you’re pointing out that would fit so well with his chart, his weakness was a, was, was money, right? Wanting to use his spiritual gifts to get money was one of his weaknesses that he had to overcome throughout his life that he would have dealt with earlier. That’s really interesting.

[1:57:27] Brian Lang: Wired, associate his spirituality with his career and one in 12 people are going to have that and,

[1:57:34] Michelle: and I want, I want to also point out that it’s not like he um because people could use that to fight to say, see, he just was in it for the money. That’s not what it is at all because he died in, in bankruptcy court, his wife, his widow was left with so many debts and Brigham Young had all of the money and took it out and left Emma with all of the debts. And Joseph actually never lived anything like in the lap of lap of luxury at all.

[1:58:01] Taylor Child: Yeah, I mean, all that time in jail would be kind of uh against

[1:58:05] Michelle: that, right? But even still, if you look at the little houses that he lived in or even when he lived in the mansion house, when they built that they lived in one small portion of it and they spent all of their time caring for all of the people move. It was always packed slammed. They, they worked hard and went without a lot. Indeed.

[1:58:27] Taylor Child: Oh, anything else you wanna talk about while we’re here?

[1:58:30] Michelle: Well, I think this is incredible. This was so, so enlightening and so much fun And I really am curious to hear what other people would want to add to this or other insights they have. Like, it’ll be interesting to see how Angela um resonates with this if she has changes to make to it. But I think that this is just amazing and fascinating and I think you’ve given us more tools to help understand these two men as well as all of the other things that you’ve, that you’ve been showing us. It’s just another tool to add to it. Thank you so much for doing this. You guys, this was an incredible presentation. I again, just loved it. So again, it’s ancient Cosmic Clock. I do really recommend that long hour and a half discussion. You have to just kind of help people get their feet a little bit more wet to understand what you’re talking about with houses and signs and the different. It’s, it’s fun to start to try to wrap your head around it a little bit more. So,

[1:59:32] Taylor Child: but was that the video we recorded at like midnight at my house,

[1:59:36] Brian Lang: probably we could record a few of them at midnight. But that the idea of that is to help people like get a basic understanding of it all and it could help them. Number one, start seeing it all together in scripture or it could help them start looking at charts like this and doing a basic reading by referencing that

[1:59:53] Taylor Child: chart and you can read yourself without having to pay somebody and you know, make your, make you independent and able capable on

[2:00:00] Brian Lang: your own. And we, we got requests to make a poster of that and post it on Etsy so that people could order it if they wanted a big poster on the wall. But we also put it and we put it sideways so people could screenshot it and get a digital digi digital copy for free. So we’re trying to be helpful that way and just trying to be helpful to people like starting to adopt and learn these things and see things through different eyes.

[2:00:22] Michelle: That’s great. Well, send me any links that we put in the descriptions for people that want to see those things that for anyone that does feel drawn to this because I think it’s a lot of fun. I think it’s fascinating and um II I just think it’s cool. So thank you again, you guys. It’s been so fun to talk to you and I’m sure we will talk again, likewise, indeed, see you soon. Another huge thank you to Brian Taylor and Angela for the time they put into that beautiful presentation. I just love their graphics and their expertise in these different areas that I haven’t yet fully delved into. So I think it is really fun to expand our arsenal of ways to know. So thank you again to them and thank you to each of you for joining me and I will see you next time.